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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    1. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      8/A third way we Americans try to preserve the illusion of control is by claiming that America exports its emissions to China (by offshoring carbon-intensive industries). But in fact, this accounts for only a small piece of the rise in China's CO2 emissions.pic.twitter.com/4eeXBZh959

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    2. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      9/Of course, I screwed this whole thread up with a typo in the first tweet, which should have read "a LOT less power" instead of "a LOT power", but let's go on.

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    3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      10/Another way we Americans try to preserve the illusion of control is by claiming that China will follow our lead on emissions - that if we cut emissions unilaterally, they'd follow suit. Of course, we've ALREADY cut emissions. Nobody followed our lead.

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    4. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      11/Nor did China start slashing emissions after Kyoto, or after Paris. The idea that we Americans rule the world via our moral leadership is just another illusion of control.

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    5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      Noah Smith Retweeted Bloomberg Opinion

      12/Yet another way we try to preserve the illusion of control is by making the false claim that "degrowth" in rich countries will solve the problem. In fact, China already contributes far more to global growth than we do.https://twitter.com/bopinion/status/1051242765173043200 …

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      China’s contribution to global growth will soon be double that of the U.S., and India’s will be larger than that of the entire euro zone https://bloom.bg/2yCNZbd  pic.twitter.com/2iptZJgSNm
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    6. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      13/And finally, the biggest and most important way we Americans try to preserve the illusion of control is by simple denialism. Many Americans pretend that climate science is more uncertain than it really is, or that climate scientists are dishonest, etc.https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/28/opinion/climate-of-complete-certainty.html …

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    7. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      14/It's all just an illusion. America is NOT in the driver's seat when it comes to climate change, and it's time for us to acknowledge that horrible, gut-wrenching fact. Because it is a fact.

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    8. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      15/Does this mean America should abandon our efforts to fight climate change? Of course not!!! We should be taxing carbon, building green infrastructure, researching green energy technology, etc.!

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    9. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      16/BUT, on our own, this won't be nearly enough. We need to do all we can to encourage China to decarbonize. This includes sharing all of our green energy tech with China, and even trying to pay them to decarbonize.pic.twitter.com/nVkquYUTAF

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    10. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      17/It probably also includes other, less friendly and positive incentives.pic.twitter.com/rVbNtSW9a3

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      Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      18/But the horrible truth is, even all of these incentives probably have only a marginal ability to sway China's decisions. Like it or not, the future of our planet is in the hands of some folks in Beijing. (end)

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        2. Sam Hicks‏ @samfhicks Oct 14
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          We won't stay below 1.5 degrees Celsius. We need to stop framing this debate as "what do we need to do to prevent massive dislocation?" It's over. We're in the phase where we need to discuss what we're going to do as the earth warms 2 degrees by 2050.

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        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14
          Replying to @samfhicks

          Why do your avatar photos never have your whole head in them? (Not that mine has my head in it, but at least it has all of *someone's* head)

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        4. Sam Hicks‏ @samfhicks Oct 14
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          I'm hiding from my parole officer.

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        5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14
          Replying to @samfhicks

          I figured it was either that or MS-13

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        2. Sashwat‏ @sashwat_k Oct 14
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          So as per you this from Nordhaus has always been wrong or no longer valid? https://www.vox.com/2018/10/10/17959686/carbon-tax …pic.twitter.com/L5F2KIYugf

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        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14
          Replying to @sashwat_k

          No longer valid. Calling the U.S., Europe, and Japan the "three big players" is just not an accurate description of the world economy at all.

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        4. Sashwat‏ @sashwat_k Oct 14
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          So when was last it would have worked? I see that China started crossing US in emissions around 2000...

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        5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14
          Replying to @sashwat_k

          90s maybe

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        6. Sashwat‏ @sashwat_k Oct 14
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          Even Al Gore was not talking about it then 😕

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        2. Sam Hicks‏ @samfhicks Oct 14
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          I think you misread the IPCC piece. You make that case persuasively that China is in control when it comes to CO2 emissions. What the study really states is that, barring a miracle, we are facing a massive crisis no matter what we do. Forgot about the 2 degrees Celsius standard.

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        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14
          Replying to @samfhicks

          I noted this.

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        2. JohnPaolozzi‏ @johnpaolozzi Oct 14
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          Ok, but the thing is, we are in no position to tell other nations to get their shit in order when we aren’t trying to get our own emissions under control. Fairness is a big deal.

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        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14
          Replying to @johnpaolozzi

          Thinking that climate policy will be solved by our own moral leadership is illusion-of-control.

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        4. JohnPaolozzi‏ @johnpaolozzi Oct 14
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          I agree. But if we keep using the atmosphere as our toilet, it's going to be tough to convince anyone else to stop.

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        2. Benjamin Wolf‏ @benbawan Oct 14
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          Great thread! I agree on everything, with only one major caveat: America could lead by developing green tech and showing how a decarbonized economy can be run. If ambitious enough, such a model would in due time be followed by Beijing with very high likelihood.

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        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14
          Replying to @benbawan

          Sounds like more illusion of control. Won't work. But we should do it anyway.

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        4. Benjamin Wolf‏ @benbawan Oct 14
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          I dunno. Of course it's not "control" - but for example, the solar boom was arguably kickstarted by very generous German subsidies before going global (and firing up China's solar industry).

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        5. Benjamin Wolf‏ @benbawan Oct 14
          Replying to @benbawan @Noahpinion

          I'm not saying it's always easy or straightforward, but I do think there is still quite some significant room of manœuvre that rich countries have for getting low carb tech off the ground.

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        6. Benjamin Wolf‏ @benbawan Oct 14
          Replying to @benbawan @Noahpinion

          Perhaps instead of control, call it (still) significant leverage.

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        2. Stephen Baines‏ @sbbaines Oct 14
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          Well, China has a terrible problem with air pollution that is driving a surge in renewables. They are building way more renewable capacity than we are, and are positioning themselves, in competition with Northern Europe, to be the go to source of renewable tech for world markets.

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        3. Stephen Baines‏ @sbbaines Oct 14
          Replying to @sbbaines @Noahpinion

          China is also ahead of the goals they set (voluntarily) by the Paris agreement. China and India, as developing economies with enormous populations, have a huge hand to play in the future of climate. But they have also have incentives to beat the US to the renewable market.

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