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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    1. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      1/Here is a thread about climate change that's going to make a lot of people mad. Basically, America, on its own, has a LOT power to stop climate change than almost anyone admits.https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-10-14/china-is-the-climate-change-battleground …

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    2. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      2/China now emits far more CO2 than the U.S. It emits almost as much as Europe and the U.S. combined.pic.twitter.com/oRqWN4o8OS

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    3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      3/In fact, even this huge disparity dramatically understates the degree to which China is in the driver's seat of climate change. China, being still much poorer than us, has much more room to grow its economy. Hence, the emissions gap will only grow larger.pic.twitter.com/01PggZMTcY

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    4. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      4/This leads to an uncomfortable but unavoidable fact: The battle to halt climate change will be won or lost in China. America's power - and thus, the power of American politicians, activists, businesses, etc. - to save the planet from climate catastrophe is very marginal.

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    5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      5/This is just a fact. But it's an uncomfortable one for a people like Americans who are used to thinking that the world lives or dies at their command. Thus, I see many Americans desperately trying to preserve the illusion of control with respect to climate change.

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    6. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      6/The first way we Americans try to preserve the illusion of control is by bringing up moral arguments. We note that we emitted more carbon than China throughout history, and that our per capita emissions are higher. But of course the climate cares nothing for morality.

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    7. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      7/Another way we Americans try to preserve the illusion of control is by claiming that China is doing their part, China is reducing emissions, China has the problem under control, so we just need to focus on ourselves. This is, sadly, bullshit.https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/05/30/china-co2-carbon-climate-emissions-rise-in-2018/ …

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    8. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      8/A third way we Americans try to preserve the illusion of control is by claiming that America exports its emissions to China (by offshoring carbon-intensive industries). But in fact, this accounts for only a small piece of the rise in China's CO2 emissions.pic.twitter.com/4eeXBZh959

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    9. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      9/Of course, I screwed this whole thread up with a typo in the first tweet, which should have read "a LOT less power" instead of "a LOT power", but let's go on.

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      Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

      10/Another way we Americans try to preserve the illusion of control is by claiming that China will follow our lead on emissions - that if we cut emissions unilaterally, they'd follow suit. Of course, we've ALREADY cut emissions. Nobody followed our lead.

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        2. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

          11/Nor did China start slashing emissions after Kyoto, or after Paris. The idea that we Americans rule the world via our moral leadership is just another illusion of control.

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        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

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          12/Yet another way we try to preserve the illusion of control is by making the false claim that "degrowth" in rich countries will solve the problem. In fact, China already contributes far more to global growth than we do.https://twitter.com/bopinion/status/1051242765173043200 …

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          China’s contribution to global growth will soon be double that of the U.S., and India’s will be larger than that of the entire euro zone https://bloom.bg/2yCNZbd  pic.twitter.com/2iptZJgSNm
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        4. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

          13/And finally, the biggest and most important way we Americans try to preserve the illusion of control is by simple denialism. Many Americans pretend that climate science is more uncertain than it really is, or that climate scientists are dishonest, etc.https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/28/opinion/climate-of-complete-certainty.html …

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        5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

          14/It's all just an illusion. America is NOT in the driver's seat when it comes to climate change, and it's time for us to acknowledge that horrible, gut-wrenching fact. Because it is a fact.

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        6. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

          15/Does this mean America should abandon our efforts to fight climate change? Of course not!!! We should be taxing carbon, building green infrastructure, researching green energy technology, etc.!

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        7. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

          16/BUT, on our own, this won't be nearly enough. We need to do all we can to encourage China to decarbonize. This includes sharing all of our green energy tech with China, and even trying to pay them to decarbonize.pic.twitter.com/nVkquYUTAF

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        8. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

          17/It probably also includes other, less friendly and positive incentives.pic.twitter.com/rVbNtSW9a3

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        9. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 14

          18/But the horrible truth is, even all of these incentives probably have only a marginal ability to sway China's decisions. Like it or not, the future of our planet is in the hands of some folks in Beijing. (end)

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        1. John Lounsbury‏ @jlounsbury59 Oct 14
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          Of course you have to ignore Europe to say this.

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        1. David Chase‏ @Dr2chase Oct 14
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          Where "our lead", per capita, is still well behind most of the world, which may reduce its motivational oomph.

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        1. Ghondi‏ @GLikethecar Oct 14
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          A lot of good points here but if other countries are going to follow our lead I think there's more merit to the hope that they'll emulate our lifestyle and habits of consumption and with that any changes we make to drastically reduce these.

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        1. Jonas qwist‏ @jdeqc Oct 16
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          Look at your own figure in #2

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        1. John S. Nash‏ @heynottheface Oct 15
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          This was the same thinking behind letting China into the WTO. More open markets will lead to a more democratic society. How did that work out?

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        1. matt k‏ @matt9237 Oct 15
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          "Of course, we've ALREADY cut emissions. Nobody followed our lead." So wrong. See Europe. US is not leading. It's being dragged reluctantly. Before any talk of US leading the effort, it just needs to join in and do its fair share. Same goes for my country.

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        1. Charmian Neary‏ @CharmianNeary Oct 14
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          We can't even get China to stop barbecuing dogs alive. They are barbaric. And cosmetic companies who say they don't test on animals, send their products to China where an "independent lab" tests them on animals. In short, we dance to their tune.@clairlemon

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        1. Laura, BRD‏ @LiglyCnsrvatari Oct 14
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          Again, this 'follow our lead' idea comes from some moralistic hand waving based on nada. Econ let's us know things don't work that way. They need incentives, nowt wishful thinking by progressives.

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        1. majorajam‏ @majorajam Oct 14
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          This is a caricature of a strawman. Surely you’ve heard of eco-tarrifs before? China may have the most emissions. But the global market is still here

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