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    Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12

    Living in East Germany made people more anti-immigrant than living in West Germany.https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2018/10/effect-communism-peoples-attitudes-toward-immigration.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter …

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      2. Cathy Young‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 Oct 12
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        People under communist regimes never really got the "xenophobia & racism are bad" message instilled in them. One, those regimes pretended they had no such problems; two, to the extent those messages existed, they were seen as part of official propaganda (& taken w/grain of salt)

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      3. Katrina Gulliver‏Verified account @katrinagulliver Oct 12
        Replying to @CathyYoung63 @Noahpinion

        That's interesting. I thought they had student exchange programs with socialist African states etc. So I'm curious how race and ethnicity was played on in official messaging.

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      4. Peter Tobias‏ @PeterTobias8 Oct 12
        Replying to @katrinagulliver @CathyYoung63 @Noahpinion

        Cathy's right: official messaging was discounted as propaganda.

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      2. Emanuel Derman‏ @EmanuelDerman Oct 12
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        What makes people anti immigrant is (in some cases) a version of the narcissism of small differences. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_of_small_differences …. When there is not much to differentiate you from the immigrants in terms of opportunity

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      3. Mihail Turlakov‏ @MTurlakov Oct 13
        Replying to @EmanuelDerman @Noahpinion

        Anti immigrant feelings are driven by insecurity. Macro/collective insecurity of East Germans transitioning to new world amplified typical human insecurities. Such insecurity is “easily cured” by superiority feelings

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      4. Michael Kraemer‏ @Taara535 Oct 13
        Replying to @MTurlakov @EmanuelDerman @Noahpinion

        Yes! I think this is it. Also explains xenophobia in poorer parts of rural Britain and the US despite substantial differences in former political ideologies.

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      2. Bruno Jahn‏ @foxyforecaster Oct 13
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Quite possible the difference predates German separation. The Elbe river had been a political border long before.

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      3. Sander Wagner‏ @sanderwagner Oct 13
        Replying to @foxyforecaster @Noahpinion

        the really good papers on east-west differences these days generally have identification strategies including local estimates just around the east west border, plus tests with synthetic borders for old divisions in those areas

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      4. Sander Wagner‏ @sanderwagner Oct 13
        Replying to @sanderwagner @foxyforecaster @Noahpinion

        but this paper probably does not have a big enough dataset to get so fancy, so they don't adress that, actually the methodology is far from great here, given how far the lit on east west germany has moved

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      2. Aniruddha Gupta  🌐‏ @gamesmasterg9 Oct 12
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        I mean, you've seen this, right?pic.twitter.com/Dcl8ucbgqD

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      1. Jack Harman‏ @jackjackharman Oct 12
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Something something late capitalism

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      1. Shravan Vasishth‏ @shravanvasishth Oct 12
        Replying to @Noahpinion @skdh

        Berlin is an egalitarian exception: we hate everyone equally.

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      2. MuteDialog‏ @MuteDialog Oct 12
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        The authoritarian culture of Prussia pre-dates communist rulehttps://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/2017/09/what-britain-needs-understand-about-profound-and-ancient-divisions-germany …

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      1. Imhotep‏ @pp0196 Oct 12
        Replying to @Noahpinion @skdh

        An obvious way to test this hypothesis is to look at communist parties implentation in different regions of continental european countries and xenophobia. France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands etc..

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      2.  ✨eva ✨‏ @midwest_monster Oct 13
        Replying to @Noahpinion @takavl

        I’m certain this can also be applied to Poland and why Poles are still so xenophobic to this day, which helped PiS to gain control on an anti-immigration platform.

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      3. Trey's unfunky 5/4‏ @takavl Oct 13
        Replying to @midwest_monster @Noahpinion

        The Scandinavian countries are having their racist/anti-immigrant breakouts, too. But I don’t wanna do too much Anglo-American rainbow melting pot back-patting for the obvs #Chumpist reasons. 🤔🤓

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      4.  ✨eva ✨‏ @midwest_monster Oct 13
        Replying to @takavl @Noahpinion

        Very true.

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      1. Laurence Rowe‏ @laurencerowe Oct 13
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        The simplest explanation for this seems to be that under communism East Germany and other Eastern European countries had very few immigrants and places with few immigrants have negative attitudes to immigration.

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