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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    1. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12

      Noah Smith Retweeted NBC News

      Lee was good at maneuver warfare, but that style wasted far too many men that he couldn't afford to waste. He should have dug in and defended from day 1. Eventually he figured it out at Cold Harbor, but by then it was far too late. Overrated general...https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1050901081537073155 …

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      NBC NewsVerified account @NBCNews
      WATCH: President Trump says "Robert E. Lee was a great general" during Ohio rally, calling the Confederate leader "incredible." pic.twitter.com/HhsLI1Mk05
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      62 replies 44 retweets 327 likes
    2. Sir Humphrey‏ @bdquinn Oct 12
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      Solid take. He either needed to figure out how to pull of an Austerlitz or Jena like Napoleon where you inflict a crushing and total defeat on a superior foe or dig in and play for the strategy of a political victory after northern will to fight drained away.

      1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
    3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12
      Replying to @bdquinn

      Chancellorsville and Fredericksburg were Austerlitz/Jena style defeats. Austria and Prussia gave up because their internal political dynamics didn't allow them to sustain long wars. The Union won when Lincoln wasn't politically forced to give up after Chancellorsville...

      3 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    4. Sir Humphrey‏ @bdquinn Oct 12
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      Eh. Chancellorsville only had a positive 4,000 casualty ratio in Lee's favor. Fredericksburg was purely defensive, so it's not really in the same category.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Sir Humphrey‏ @bdquinn Oct 12
      Replying to @bdquinn @Noahpinion

      *casualty differential, rather. For Lee's "greatest victory", it's pretty meager. He needed to really chop down his opponents. Austerlitz had a 4-1 casualty ratio in Napoleon's favor, which brought Austria down immediately. Jena was like 6-1. Lee never had anything like that.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12
      Replying to @bdquinn

      Yeah, maybe if Lee had been as good as Napoleon his style would have worked. BUT, he must have realized very early on that he was not Napoleon-good. And yet he failed to adjust accordingly.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Sir Humphrey‏ @bdquinn Oct 12
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      I guess this gets to my point. Lee doesn't rank in the top tier of historical commanders because he was unable to do, or even figure out, what was necessary to win in his circumstances. The war was winnable from the perspective of Confederate aims and yet he failed.

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12
      Replying to @bdquinn

      Yep. Exactly my point.

      7:12 PM - 12 Oct 2018
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        2. Maximilien Robespierre‏ @NapoleonDantes Oct 12
          Replying to @Noahpinion @bdquinn

          attacking on day 3 st Gettysburg was a total waste

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. TheJ_MAN‏ @xxTheJ_MANxx Oct 13
          Replying to @NapoleonDantes @Noahpinion @bdquinn

          If the two hour artillery strike didn’t overshoot, which was the largest ever on American soil, Pickett’s charge would have been different

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        4. Maximilien Robespierre‏ @NapoleonDantes Oct 13
          Replying to @xxTheJ_MANxx @Noahpinion @bdquinn

          the battle was lost on day 2, he should have dug in

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        5. TheJ_MAN‏ @xxTheJ_MANxx Oct 13
          Replying to @NapoleonDantes @Noahpinion @bdquinn

          Digging in wouldn’t have given the decisive victory they were after

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        6. Maximilien Robespierre‏ @NapoleonDantes Oct 13
          Replying to @xxTheJ_MANxx @Noahpinion @bdquinn

          that may be but it would have staved off a decisive defeat

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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