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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    1. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12

      Noah Smith Retweeted NBC News

      Lee was good at maneuver warfare, but that style wasted far too many men that he couldn't afford to waste. He should have dug in and defended from day 1. Eventually he figured it out at Cold Harbor, but by then it was far too late. Overrated general...https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1050901081537073155 …

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      WATCH: President Trump says "Robert E. Lee was a great general" during Ohio rally, calling the Confederate leader "incredible." pic.twitter.com/HhsLI1Mk05
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    2. Sir Humphrey‏ @bdquinn Oct 12
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      Solid take. He either needed to figure out how to pull of an Austerlitz or Jena like Napoleon where you inflict a crushing and total defeat on a superior foe or dig in and play for the strategy of a political victory after northern will to fight drained away.

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    3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12
      Replying to @bdquinn

      Chancellorsville and Fredericksburg were Austerlitz/Jena style defeats. Austria and Prussia gave up because their internal political dynamics didn't allow them to sustain long wars. The Union won when Lincoln wasn't politically forced to give up after Chancellorsville...

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    4. Sir Humphrey‏ @bdquinn Oct 12
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      Eh. Chancellorsville only had a positive 4,000 casualty ratio in Lee's favor. Fredericksburg was purely defensive, so it's not really in the same category.

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      Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12
      Replying to @bdquinn

      Yes, Napoleon was better than Lee (though Austerlitz was also sort of defensive). But Chancellorsville and Fredericksburg were major Union defeats, as was 2nd Bull Run. The crucial fact is that the Union didn't give up. And that was actually a close-run thing.

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        2. Sir Humphrey‏ @bdquinn Oct 12
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          The key part of Austerlitz was Napoleon's attack when he shattered the allied center. He managed to take fully 36,000 soldiers out of commission killed, wounded, and captured out of an army of 85,000. When did Lee ever come close to inflicting that sort of blow?

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        3. Sir Humphrey‏ @bdquinn Oct 12
          Replying to @bdquinn @Noahpinion

          This is kind of the point I have about Lee. He was a competent, but not great commander. He knew how to tactically hold his own. Strategically, he made colossal mistakes in both Antietam and Gettysburg. His battle plan at Gettysburg was also just plain bad.

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        4. Michael.Seraphim‏ @mseraphimsl Oct 12
          Replying to @bdquinn @Noahpinion

          And letting himself get pinned to Richmond lost the war. Should have combined with Johnston to fight Sherman and then turn on Grant, which is what Grant was worried he would to. Confederacy had internal lines and could manuever like that but rarely did.

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