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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12

    Noah Smith Retweeted NBC News

    Lee was good at maneuver warfare, but that style wasted far too many men that he couldn't afford to waste. He should have dug in and defended from day 1. Eventually he figured it out at Cold Harbor, but by then it was far too late. Overrated general...https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1050901081537073155 …

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    WATCH: President Trump says "Robert E. Lee was a great general" during Ohio rally, calling the Confederate leader "incredible." pic.twitter.com/HhsLI1Mk05
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      2. Richard 塚正ー緑‏ @RHT_ebooks Oct 12
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Lee, Hannibal, Rommel, Napoleon, Pericles. We have a remarkable tradition of venerating tacticians that lost

        4 replies 1 retweet 23 likes
      3. greg p‏ @gregorypaal Oct 12
        Replying to @RHT_ebooks @Noahpinion

        Nothing like a romantic hero to fire the soul

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      4. greg p‏ @gregorypaal Oct 12
        Replying to @gregorypaal @RHT_ebooks @Noahpinion

        Though Napoleon doesn’t belong on that list. He won for a long time before his fortune turned. Hannibal too, to a certain extent. I have no time for Rommel or lee though

        4 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
      5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12
        Replying to @gregorypaal @RHT_ebooks

        Napoleon was insanely good. But being insanely good isn't enough to conquer the world.

        2 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
      6. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12
        Replying to @Noahpinion @gregorypaal @RHT_ebooks

        Like...INSANELY good.https://towardsdatascience.com/napoleon-was-the-best-general-ever-and-the-math-proves-it-86efed303eeb …

        2 replies 2 retweets 17 likes
      7. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12
        Replying to @Noahpinion @gregorypaal @RHT_ebooks

        Note that this method finds that Lee and Rommel are both overrated.

        1 reply 1 retweet 9 likes
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      2. Jordan Moore #FBPE‏ @jordanmoore0929 Oct 12
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Lee was a tac. genius no doubt. His strat. was sound too. CSA couldn't win long term war so he went for the kill early. Smart.

        3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12
        Replying to @jordanmoore0929

        Nah, he mostly sat in Virginia and waited for the enemy to come to him. Once he invaded Pennsylvania but got whupped and retreated. Dumb.

        1 reply 0 retweets 22 likes
      4. Jordan Moore #FBPE‏ @jordanmoore0929 Oct 12
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        He invaded the North twice! Almost worked too. Antietam and Gettysburg were close and could've won the war for South. Amazing

        4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12
        Replying to @jordanmoore0929

        Amazing losses

        1 reply 0 retweets 21 likes
      6. Jordan Moore #FBPE‏ @jordanmoore0929 Oct 12
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Lee is rated appropriately nonetheless. McClellan, on the other hand, was a master of logistics and very underrated.

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      7. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12
        Replying to @jordanmoore0929

        Nah, Lee wasted a ton of manpower, launched a failed invasion, and ultimately lost the war. Overrated as heck

        3 replies 0 retweets 23 likes
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      2. M0ser‏ @TM0s41 Oct 12
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Media is blatantly misleading here to hurt Trump and further divide the country. Full quote shows Trump praising Lee for winning.pic.twitter.com/os49G3JDyX

        2 replies 2 retweets 2 likes
      3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12
        Replying to @TM0s41

        And I'm saying Lee is overrated.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. M0ser‏ @TM0s41 Oct 12
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Damnit. Grant*

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12
        Replying to @TM0s41

        Yeah, and Trump is right that Grant is underrated.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Sir Humphrey‏ @bdquinn Oct 12
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Solid take. He either needed to figure out how to pull of an Austerlitz or Jena like Napoleon where you inflict a crushing and total defeat on a superior foe or dig in and play for the strategy of a political victory after northern will to fight drained away.

        1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
      3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12
        Replying to @bdquinn

        Chancellorsville and Fredericksburg were Austerlitz/Jena style defeats. Austria and Prussia gave up because their internal political dynamics didn't allow them to sustain long wars. The Union won when Lincoln wasn't politically forced to give up after Chancellorsville...

        3 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      4. Sir Humphrey‏ @bdquinn Oct 12
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        Eh. Chancellorsville only had a positive 4,000 casualty ratio in Lee's favor. Fredericksburg was purely defensive, so it's not really in the same category.

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 12
        Replying to @bdquinn

        Yes, Napoleon was better than Lee (though Austerlitz was also sort of defensive). But Chancellorsville and Fredericksburg were major Union defeats, as was 2nd Bull Run. The crucial fact is that the Union didn't give up. And that was actually a close-run thing.

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      6. Sir Humphrey‏ @bdquinn Oct 12
        Replying to @Noahpinion

        The key part of Austerlitz was Napoleon's attack when he shattered the allied center. He managed to take fully 36,000 soldiers out of commission killed, wounded, and captured out of an army of 85,000. When did Lee ever come close to inflicting that sort of blow?

        1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
      7. Sir Humphrey‏ @bdquinn Oct 12
        Replying to @bdquinn @Noahpinion

        This is kind of the point I have about Lee. He was a competent, but not great commander. He knew how to tactically hold his own. Strategically, he made colossal mistakes in both Antietam and Gettysburg. His battle plan at Gettysburg was also just plain bad.

        2 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
      8. Michael.Seraphim‏ @mseraphimsl Oct 12
        Replying to @bdquinn @Noahpinion

        And letting himself get pinned to Richmond lost the war. Should have combined with Johnston to fight Sherman and then turn on Grant, which is what Grant was worried he would to. Confederacy had internal lines and could manuever like that but rarely did.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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