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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    1. Humean Being‏ @MetaHumean Oct 11
      Replying to @MetaHumean @Noahpinion

      Representational states are the ones that make up your map of the world. They tend to change if you have experiences that indicate they are inaccurate. Beliefs are like this. Desires aren't. (Philosophers will sometimes distinguish between "belief-like" and desire-like" states.)

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    2. Ray Hsu‏ @Roflsaurus16 Oct 11
      Replying to @MetaHumean @Noahpinion

      Is this discussion kind of about whether "moral beliefs" are "beliefs in the econ sense" or whether they are more similar to desires/passions? I feel like the actual philosopher Hume had a pretty clear opinion about that, haha

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    3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
      Replying to @Roflsaurus16 @MetaHumean

      yeah

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    4. Ray Hsu‏ @Roflsaurus16 Oct 11
      Replying to @Noahpinion @MetaHumean

      I often feel that Hume’s emotivist theory of morality is not capturing the full picture. But I also feel that there aren’t really any good alternatives. And I don’t see how I can bet on either of those feelings!

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    5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
      Replying to @Roflsaurus16 @MetaHumean

      hehehehehehehehe :D see

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    6. Humean Being‏ @MetaHumean Oct 11
      Replying to @Noahpinion @Roflsaurus16

      If you're endorsing an emotivist theory of moral beliefs but not factual beliefs, that's a respectable position, but it's got some noteworthy problems. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-cognitivism/ …

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    7. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
      Replying to @MetaHumean @Roflsaurus16

      It's a little different than that. Basically, I observe some phenomena and I'm trying to name them. One of them is people saying they "believe" things, and acting based on those "beliefs", without them understanding the things at all.

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    8. Ray Hsu‏ @Roflsaurus16 Oct 11
      Replying to @Noahpinion @MetaHumean

      Hm, what makes you confident that those people do not really “understand” what they claim to believe?

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    9. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
      Replying to @Roflsaurus16 @MetaHumean

      Because often it's just nonsense. "God is omnipotent". What the hell does that mean? Can God create a rock He can't lift? It's an incoherent word and concept.

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    10. Ray Hsu‏ @Roflsaurus16 Oct 11
      Replying to @Noahpinion @MetaHumean

      Sure, that’s kind of an extreme example though. What about something like “No human being is illegal”? Do you see that as also nonsensical? I feel like it is a real attempt to express an important idea?

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      Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
      Replying to @Roflsaurus16 @MetaHumean

      I mean, does that mean that we shouldn't use the word "illegal" to describe people colloquially? Or that laws don't proscribe the existence of individual humans? Or something else? Do they even know which it means, or think about it?

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        2. Ray Hsu‏ @Roflsaurus16 Oct 11
          Replying to @Noahpinion @MetaHumean

          Good question! My guess would be that different people who say that slogan probably all have somewhat different meanings in mind?

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        3. Humean Being‏ @MetaHumean Oct 11
          Replying to @Roflsaurus16 @Noahpinion

          Yeah, this is an interesting question. There's a huge literature on it in philosophy, but I only know a little of it. Does belief require understanding? It seems like the answer is no. I can believe that E=mc^2 even if I know nothing of physics.

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        4. Humean Being‏ @MetaHumean Oct 11
          Replying to @MetaHumean @Roflsaurus16 @Noahpinion

          But we can make a strong argument for "yes" as well. The physicist who understands E=mc^2 believes something different than I do if I only know to recite the slogan. They believe something about the relationship between mass and energy.

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        5. Humean Being‏ @MetaHumean Oct 11
          Replying to @MetaHumean @Roflsaurus16 @Noahpinion

          Maybe all I believe is that "The equation E=mc^2 expresses a truth." But I don't really believe that E=mc^2 because I don't understand it. Maybe we should say the same thing about "God is omnipotent." If that's an incoherent claim, I could still (falsely) believe it expresses...

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        6. Humean Being‏ @MetaHumean Oct 11
          Replying to @MetaHumean @Roflsaurus16 @Noahpinion

          a truth. But I can't understand "God is omnipotent" because it's incoherent, and thus can't really believe that God is omnipotent. But because i believe the claim expresses a truth, i might still endorse it if questioned or bet on it if challenged (e.g.).

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