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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    1. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

      Noah Smith Retweeted The Atlantic

      "Competitive wokeness", like "virtue signaling" and "preference falsification", seems to be something people on the right say in order to pretend that people on the left don't really believe what they claim to believe.https://twitter.com/TheAtlantic/status/1050424810591936512 …

      Noah Smith added,

      The AtlanticVerified account @TheAtlantic
      "She now finds herself in the uppermost echelons of the culture industries, where woke liberalism is de rigueur and departures from it are stigmatized." @reihan on Taylor Swift's swing towards politics: http://on.theatln.tc/0wAuukC 
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    2. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

      Basically we have a whole bunch of ways of saying "You can't possibly believe that!!". Which helps us avoid the terrifying fact that yes, people generally do believe it.

      4 replies 23 retweets 229 likes
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    3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

      Of course, "believe" doesn't mean what it means in econ class. It means that people get a warm feeling from asserting something, even if they don't know what it means. "God is omnipotent", etc.

      3 replies 12 retweets 114 likes
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    4. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

      A lot of times we believe extreme things, simply because asserting those things all together in a group gives us a warm feeling of having an army on our side. It's not competitive wokeness. It's COOPERATIVE wokeness.

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    5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

      "Virtue signaling" isn't fake or pretend. It's real. "Virtue", when it comes right down to it, means membership on a team. Sometimes, to prove you're on a team, it helps to say something people on the other team could never bring themselves to say.

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    6. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

      That doesn't mean people don't believe the things they say when they signal team membership. They DO believe them. It's just that the "belief" is the rush of good feeling from knowing that you have a team.

      8 replies 10 retweets 107 likes
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    7. Humean Being‏ @MetaHumean Oct 11
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      Citations? I'm not a specialist in the philosophy of mind, but I'm petty sure that no philosophers of mind or cognitive scientists accept this account of belief.

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    8. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
      Replying to @MetaHumean

      Basically the Cultural Cognition theory. http://www.culturalcognition.net/ 

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Humean Being‏ @MetaHumean Oct 11
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      Ok, I'm on board with a lot of this, but i think it's a mistake to say that a positive emotional state in social contexts is just what belief is. That's not what belief IS, that's what belief DOES. Belief is something like stable high credence.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
      Replying to @MetaHumean

      What's "credence"?

      9:34 PM - 11 Oct 2018
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        2. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
          Replying to @Noahpinion @MetaHumean

          I mean, besides a rock band.

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        3. Humean Being‏ @MetaHumean Oct 11
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          It's a dispositional mental state. Part of the dispositions that characterize the mental state might be to have certain emotions in certain contexts, but don't confuse the cause and the effect. Saying that belief is a positive emotion in social contexts is like...

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        4. Humean Being‏ @MetaHumean Oct 11
          Replying to @MetaHumean @Noahpinion

          ...saying that water is dissolving salt. Same kind of category error. Belief is representational, and a purely affective account of belief can't account for the representational nature of belief.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
          Replying to @MetaHumean

          None of the words you've said in response to my question makes any sense to me. "Dispositional mental state". "Representational". These mean nothing to me.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Humean Being‏ @MetaHumean Oct 11
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          Sorry, using philosophy jargon... Dispositional mental state means a metal state (state of your mind) that is individuated by its causal functional (stimulus-response) profile.

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
          Replying to @MetaHumean

          What does that mean?

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        8. Victor Rivera  🎄 ☃️ 🎅‏ @cognitivicta Oct 11
          Replying to @Noahpinion @MetaHumean

          Trait vs state

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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