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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    1. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

      Noah Smith Retweeted The Atlantic

      "Competitive wokeness", like "virtue signaling" and "preference falsification", seems to be something people on the right say in order to pretend that people on the left don't really believe what they claim to believe.https://twitter.com/TheAtlantic/status/1050424810591936512 …

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      The AtlanticVerified account @TheAtlantic
      "She now finds herself in the uppermost echelons of the culture industries, where woke liberalism is de rigueur and departures from it are stigmatized." @reihan on Taylor Swift's swing towards politics: http://on.theatln.tc/0wAuukC 
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    2. Timothy B. Lee‏Verified account @binarybits Oct 11
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      Do you doubt that the social and professional pressures @reihan describes are significant? They certainly have an impact on what I say and write (and choose not to talk or write about).

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      Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
      Replying to @binarybits @reihan

      I think that there are probably a few people out there claiming to be much more liberal than they really are, but that usually they're media people doing this strategically and cynically. Most people respond to social pressure by just shutting up, I think.

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        2. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
          Replying to @Noahpinion @binarybits @reihan

          I think that most online wokeness is expression of real grievances that people had been holding in for a long time, and that it's social media, not peer pressure, that causes those expressions to be over-dramatic and exaggerated. cc @juliagalef

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        3. Matt Diamond‏ @mattdiamond Oct 11
          Replying to @Noahpinion @binarybits and

          I guess I’m confused why you would draw a line between “social media” and “peer pressure”, as if the latter wasn’t a dominant factor in the former... isn’t peer pressure *amplified* by social media? You might not care what you say to 5 people, but 5000...

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        4. you can turn caps off‏ @blkmkts Oct 11
          Replying to @mattdiamond @Noahpinion and

          5 people are your peers, 5000 people are not

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        5. Matt Diamond‏ @mattdiamond Oct 11
          Replying to @blkmkts @Noahpinion and

          I think you're confusing "friends" with "peers", as well as underestimating how much human beings care about what other people think of them, especially when those people are seen as part of the same peer group (which, again, is not the same as one's circle of friends)

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        6. Matt Diamond‏ @mattdiamond Oct 11
          Replying to @mattdiamond @blkmkts and

          "one belonging to the same societal group especially based on age, grade, or status" 5000 people can definitely be your peers... even 50,000 or 5 millionhttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/peer 

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        7. Matt Diamond‏ @mattdiamond Oct 11
          Replying to @mattdiamond @blkmkts and

          I understand your confusion though... prior to the advent of social media, most people weren't interacting with that many of their peers. But this is exactly the dynamic that social media has changed, enabling communication with much larger numbers of people from our peer group.

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        8. Matt Diamond‏ @mattdiamond Oct 11
          Replying to @mattdiamond @blkmkts and

          In 1988, it would be crazy to think that a random teenager could easily broadcast a message to five hundred other teenagers and get immediate responses. Thirty years later, any teenager with a large enough following on Twitter is doing just that on a regular basis.

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        2. Timothy B. Lee‏Verified account @binarybits Oct 11
          Replying to @Noahpinion @reihan

          They'll shut up if they directly disagree with the prevailing view. But if they weakly agree with the prevailing view they're going to be more likely to be vocal about it and might convince themselves to endorse a stronger version. Hence competitive wokeness.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
          Replying to @binarybits @reihan

          Hmm, maybe! Hard to say without some psych experiments. But I have to say I doubt it, just based on personal experience. I've been accused of competitive wokeness, yet I've never knowingly exaggerated my own beliefs or positions (usually I tone them down).

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        4. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
          Replying to @Noahpinion @binarybits @reihan

          And I think I'm not a huge raging flaming SJW. I'm kind of a moderate, milquetoasty SJW.

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        5. Timothy B. Lee‏Verified account @binarybits Oct 11
          Replying to @Noahpinion @reihan

          You have a stronger contrarian streak than the average blogger/pundit.

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        6. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
          Replying to @binarybits @reihan

          Ha. All my time spent defending the conventional wisdom in the pages of Bloomberg, and you still think I'm a contrarian... ;-)

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        1. Matthew Martin‏ @hyperplanes Oct 11
          Replying to @Noahpinion @binarybits @reihan

          I think outside of a tiny group of commentators/thinkers, most people don't have particularly firm views and can be persuaded by what people they like around them think

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        2. ChrisB‏ @Chriswb71 Oct 13
          Replying to @Noahpinion @binarybits @reihan

          I've read people tend to answer surveys with more liberal answers if the survey taker is a young woman. But that's about all. Honestly I have trouble believing that people really believe everyone left of them who disagrees with them is lying. Why would someone think that

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        3. ChrisB‏ @Chriswb71 Oct 13
          Replying to @Chriswb71 @Noahpinion and

          Also studies show groups make more extreme decisions than privately. But that applies to caucuses vs secret ballot, to people bullied into agreeing. To take that and say all these people arguing are just signalling is disingenuous.

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        1. Ian Monroe‏ @eean Oct 11
          Replying to @Noahpinion @binarybits @reihan

          And DC politics is just far to the right of people with white collar jobs in almost any industry, but especially anything creative, due to age and demographics alone. You'd need a fancy theory to explain why creative industries weren't socially liberal. This seems dog bites man.

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