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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    1. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

      1/I reviewed @reihan Salam's "Melting Pot or Civil War?" for Foreign Affairs:https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/review-essay/2018-10-11/should-america-cut-low-skilled-immigration?gpp=LIdllm9bW3aj3/NdALeqADp1VU0zOS9kaldqMjViQ0xmWUMvRy9Ob2tiaElqMjFJR0Vwcm5rbUtCTEttTVFIT3BUaHpDT3dnUnBOSnlGaGxIOmY1N2FhMTFlNGVhNDE4Njk1YzFjYWIxY2MwMjM1YzA1ZTk1NTc3OWExOWI4N2VlMzhkZTk5YWM1NWU5NGFhNDQ%3D …

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    2. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

      2/This book is the best case for immigration restriction that you're likely to read anytime soon!pic.twitter.com/eudmgtYTYf

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    3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

      3/Salam's basic case for restricting low-skilled immigration is this: 1. The descendants of low-skilled immigrants will form a permanent economic underclass (thanks in part to automation and globalization). 2. That underclass will lead to racial tensions.pic.twitter.com/XEURW5MujS

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    4. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

      4/Salam's solution: Stop low-skilled immigration and let in high-skilled immigrants instead. They and their descendants will get good jobs and make plenty of money, thus easing their integration with the rest of America and creating a melting pot.pic.twitter.com/xZbKoOZEbr

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    5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

      5/Salam's argument has three big advantages over the typical restrictionist case: 1. It's not based on racism, overtly or covertly. 2. Salam is extremely well-informed about the facts of the issue. 3. Shifting toward skilled immigration is good policy.pic.twitter.com/ekIcJVrSYZ

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    6. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

      6/BUT, I have some problems with Salam's case. First, the idea that low-skilled immigration will lead to increased racial tensions seems to contradict the experience of anyone who has seen the changes in L.A., San Diego, NYC, Houston, or other immigration-heavy cities.pic.twitter.com/SmUGoyp4aC

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    7. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

      7/Second, low-skilled immigration to the U.S. has already collapsed. Immigrants are increasingly well-educated. So this just doesn't seem like an urgent problem. We took in lots of low-skilled immigrants in the 90s and early 2000s, and what's done is done.pic.twitter.com/nemp14KIuj

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      Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

      8/Like Reihan, I favor a skills-based immigration system that also allows family reunification, like the one Canada uses. But my case for it relies a lot more on direct economic benefits, and less on prophecies of race war! (end)

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        1. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

          Oh, and you can buy the book here:https://www.amazon.com/Melting-Pot-Civil-War-Immigrants/dp/0735216274 …

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        2. Now Here Not There‏ @nowherenorthere Oct 11
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          Do we have evidence that low skill immigration causes more social tensions? My impression is that very low skill mass immigration can cause problems, but so can mass high skill immigration (with some intermediate skill level being optimal, partly since that’s where the jobs are).

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        3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
          Replying to @nowherenorthere

          Short answer is that we don't know and can't know, but that in the past we have managed what tensions did exist fairly well.

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        2. sharon demarque‏ @sharondemarque Oct 11
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          We need to work toward more freedom of movement. There will be disruption, so create policies to alleviate cost of disruption.

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        1. Ohreally‏ @JohnKageleiry Oct 11
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          Both of my Greek gparents were illiterate but built a successful business. Raised 9 kids most of which grad college. They became business men, educators and solid citizens. This focus solely on initial immigrants is woefully shortsighted.

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        2. Henry Kim‏ @h27kim Oct 11
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          A loud even if meaningless restriction on unskilled immigration will have a symbolic political value, and symbols matter in politics, especially loud and well-publicized ones. You and I know that there's hardly any immigration today in low-skilled immigration, but... 1/

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        3. Henry Kim‏ @h27kim Oct 11
          Replying to @h27kim @Noahpinion

          That is not necessarily a common knowledge among the masses. That a politician is willing to take a symbolic stance and take public flak for it, even if it is empty in substance will carry a lot of weight. Ironically, it will actually help close the divide if done right. 2/

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        2. adamchaz2000‏ @adamchaz2000 Oct 11
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          Why should we worried about low skill immigration which is lowering and not worried about the divergence between high skilled and low skilled citizens. Which is rapidly increasing? This is a solution looking for a problem, while ignoring a much bigger problem.

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        3. adamchaz2000‏ @adamchaz2000 Oct 11
          Replying to @adamchaz2000 @Noahpinion

          If we are willing to deny low skill immigration, when do we kick out low skilled citizens?

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        2. John Drake‏ @TheRealNumber6 Oct 11
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          I've been in corporate IT for 20 yrs and almost all of my friends and colleagues came here via H1B's. I'm glad they're here, don't blame others for wanting to come, and don't want anyone to be scapegoated. That said,... /1

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        3. John Drake‏ @TheRealNumber6 Oct 11
          Replying to @TheRealNumber6 @Noahpinion

          ... if Bloomberg and most other shops farmed out punditry to IBM who then applied for thousands of H1Bs to replace you and your colleagues, I doubt you'd be so sanguine on the matter. /2

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        4. Josh Hunt‏ @Bouje99 Oct 11
          Replying to @TheRealNumber6 @Noahpinion

          I used to work for a health insurance company here in the cheap labor land of South Carolina. We did the administrative work for a health insurance company that had gov contracts based out of CA. I mean, is this bad in your mind? Should CA folks have those jobs?

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        5. Josh Hunt‏ @Bouje99 Oct 11
          Replying to @Bouje99 @TheRealNumber6 @Noahpinion

          I guess you’re saying it’s cool and all for cheap labor land SC to have those jobs but you don’t blame CA residents for being sad over it ?

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        6. John Drake‏ @TheRealNumber6 Oct 11
          Replying to @Bouje99

          Instead of trying to torture what I said into something else, perhaps you'd like to clearly state the position you're trying to serve?

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        7. Josh Hunt‏ @Bouje99 Oct 11
          Replying to @TheRealNumber6

          I guess that competition among regions is part of life? And that just because we don’t like something doesn’t mean we run to the gov to stop it? I guess that’s easy for me to say though, I will admit.

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        8. John Drake‏ @TheRealNumber6 Oct 11
          Replying to @Bouje99

          The regions in question aren't part of the US or territories. IBM, HP, & others game a system intended to supplement for positions where there's an actual shortage of expertise, to replace IT workers where no actual shortage exists,... /1

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