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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

    1/I reviewed @reihan Salam's "Melting Pot or Civil War?" for Foreign Affairs:https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/review-essay/2018-10-11/should-america-cut-low-skilled-immigration?gpp=LIdllm9bW3aj3/NdALeqADp1VU0zOS9kaldqMjViQ0xmWUMvRy9Ob2tiaElqMjFJR0Vwcm5rbUtCTEttTVFIT3BUaHpDT3dnUnBOSnlGaGxIOmY1N2FhMTFlNGVhNDE4Njk1YzFjYWIxY2MwMjM1YzA1ZTk1NTc3OWExOWI4N2VlMzhkZTk5YWM1NWU5NGFhNDQ%3D …

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      2. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

        2/This book is the best case for immigration restriction that you're likely to read anytime soon!pic.twitter.com/eudmgtYTYf

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      3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

        3/Salam's basic case for restricting low-skilled immigration is this: 1. The descendants of low-skilled immigrants will form a permanent economic underclass (thanks in part to automation and globalization). 2. That underclass will lead to racial tensions.pic.twitter.com/XEURW5MujS

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      4. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

        4/Salam's solution: Stop low-skilled immigration and let in high-skilled immigrants instead. They and their descendants will get good jobs and make plenty of money, thus easing their integration with the rest of America and creating a melting pot.pic.twitter.com/xZbKoOZEbr

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      5. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

        5/Salam's argument has three big advantages over the typical restrictionist case: 1. It's not based on racism, overtly or covertly. 2. Salam is extremely well-informed about the facts of the issue. 3. Shifting toward skilled immigration is good policy.pic.twitter.com/ekIcJVrSYZ

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      6. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

        6/BUT, I have some problems with Salam's case. First, the idea that low-skilled immigration will lead to increased racial tensions seems to contradict the experience of anyone who has seen the changes in L.A., San Diego, NYC, Houston, or other immigration-heavy cities.pic.twitter.com/SmUGoyp4aC

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      7. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

        7/Second, low-skilled immigration to the U.S. has already collapsed. Immigrants are increasingly well-educated. So this just doesn't seem like an urgent problem. We took in lots of low-skilled immigrants in the 90s and early 2000s, and what's done is done.pic.twitter.com/nemp14KIuj

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      8. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

        8/Like Reihan, I favor a skills-based immigration system that also allows family reunification, like the one Canada uses. But my case for it relies a lot more on direct economic benefits, and less on prophecies of race war! (end)

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      9. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11

        Oh, and you can buy the book here:https://www.amazon.com/Melting-Pot-Civil-War-Immigrants/dp/0735216274 …

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      2. Restless dragon deprived of sufficient enrichment‏ @sciliz Oct 11
        Replying to @Noahpinion @reihan

        wasn't everyone taught that the "melting pot" analogy is inherently problematic and that the "soup pot" analogy is preferred?

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      3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
        Replying to @sciliz @reihan

        In the book, he argues that melting pot is best! As for me, I've always felt that these food analogies are too loose to be of much use.

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      4. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
        Replying to @Noahpinion @sciliz @reihan

        Noah Smith Retweeted Senate-confirmed Noah

        https://twitter.com/latenitenoah/status/1000556579932925952 …

        Noah Smith added,

        Senate-confirmed Noah @latenitenoah
        Some say multiculturalism is like a melting pot. Others say it's like a salad bowl. I say it's like shabu-shabu. I dip each tender, delectable ethnicity into boiling water, then into an appropriate sauce, before devouring it.
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      2. Will Compernolle‏ @UpsetPatterns Oct 11
        Replying to @Noahpinion @reihan

        Do you agree with the foundation of his analysis that says low-skilled immigration paired with increasing automation will necessarily create a permanent underclass?

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      3. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 11
        Replying to @UpsetPatterns @reihan

        I think that A) mass low-skilled immigration *can* create a racialized underclass (see: Malaysia, Singapore), but that it often doesn't, and America seems less likely to have that happen, and B) the automation thing is possible but I doubt it.

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      2. mary lynn richford‏ @richford_lynn Oct 11
        Replying to @Noahpinion @ForeignAffairs @reihan

        No we need low skilled workers too. These hardworking people populate Mc Donalds, supermarkets and Walmart and deserve a break. My grandmother started as a maid in 1907 married an American jerk and in spite of him raised four kids and owned her own house.

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      3. Dana Coffin‏ @danaycoffin Oct 11
        Replying to @richford_lynn @Noahpinion and

        If hardworking low-skilled workers need a break,that's an argument for restricting low-skilled immigration. The resulting shortage of entry-level workers would put upward pressure on the wages of those immigrants already here, helping them assimilate economically, then culturally

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      2. Show Me  ✌  🇺🇸‏ @LinniMay Oct 11
        Replying to @Noahpinion @reihan

        Pretty much negates the whole 'American Dream' theme.

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      3. John S. Nash‏ @heynottheface Oct 11
        Replying to @LinniMay @Noahpinion @reihan

        I do think too much low skilled immigration can be bad, especially for other low skilled immigrants, but I definitely want some since I view accepting tired, poor, huddled masses as part of our national creed. It would be a tragedy if we decided only elite immigrants were desired

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      1. Kevin Branch‏ @klb1 Oct 11
        Replying to @Noahpinion @reihan

        Racial tensions have everything to do with people already here... whether immigrants are rich or poor doesn’t seem to matter much.

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      1. pete brown‏ @drpetebrowncdu Oct 20
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        cool...seems to be available. I will check out

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