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Bloomberg Opinion writer. Elected "top neoliberal shill" of 2018. Occasionally posts anime gifs.

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    1. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 10

      Noah Smith Retweeted Slate

      Yet another article about why demographics will not sweep the Democrats to inevitable crushing permanent dominance.https://twitter.com/Slate/status/1050216885097308160 …

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      SlateVerified account @Slate
      Democrats have been counting on Hispanic voters to save them. It’s not happening. https://slate.trib.al/4hEzu4t  pic.twitter.com/v022TN1TXD
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    2. J. L. Amadé Hill Edwards‏ @jlamadehe Oct 10
      Replying to @Noahpinion

      Someone should tell the author that Hispanic means someone of Spanish descent. They didn't use "Chicano" once. There are a number of reasons why some Hispanics and Latinos, and probably to a lesser extent Chicanos, might like Trump.

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      Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 10
      Replying to @jlamadehe

      Does anyone say Chicano anymore? These days I only hear Latino or Latinx.

      8:16 PM - 10 Oct 2018
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        2. J. L. Amadé Hill Edwards‏ @jlamadehe Oct 10
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          Prof Raymond Buriel (may he rest in peace) taught us to use the terms accurately, although that is usually the case in psychology classes. I'm not Chicano, but I certainly got the impression from him that he preferred the term, and did not like being called Hispanic.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. J. L. Amadé Hill Edwards‏ @jlamadehe Oct 10
          Replying to @jlamadehe

          If anyone is wondering: Chicano means Mexican-American, Latino means from Latin America, and Hispanic means from Spanish descent.

          2 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
        4. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 10
          Replying to @jlamadehe

          The Census defines Hispanic as "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race".

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        5. J. L. Amadé Hill Edwards‏ @jlamadehe Oct 10
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          Thanks, that's interesting. I assume it is to keep things simple as there are only seven racial categories in the Census, so it's not surprising that the definition if overly-broad.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Noah Smith‏Verified account @Noahpinion Oct 10
          Replying to @jlamadehe

          Yeah. I use it because it's the broadest category...

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. J. L. Amadé Hill Edwards‏ @jlamadehe Oct 10
          Replying to @Noahpinion

          Fair enough, but I'd advocate delineating in your own writing. A lot of original peoples from Latin America & Mexico, whose ancestors suffered at the hands of the Spanish, would be included in that definition, and I doubt they'd identify as Hispanic before Chicano/Latino.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. J. L. Amadé Hill Edwards‏ @jlamadehe Oct 10
          Replying to @jlamadehe

          Or Chicana/Latina, I should have said.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Name cannot be blank‏ @oblivionrecurs Oct 11
          Replying to @Noahpinion @jlamadehe

          Depends on the area (see Sacramento picture) and heres another Source the story of the immigrant second generation by Berkeley and new york Mexicans - 56% of their children identified their race as Mexican, 25% as Latino, 12% as Chicano, and 2% Whitepic.twitter.com/cfSnaynYHn

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        3. J. L. Amadé Hill Edwards‏ @jlamadehe Oct 11
          Replying to @oblivionrecurs

          Thanks! Would you please reply with links to both sources?

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        4. Name cannot be blank‏ @oblivionrecurs Oct 11
          Replying to @jlamadehe

          https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/source_charts/rumbaut-apr11-table4.cfm … https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2758796/#!po=45.1807 … And while i can't find the study atm i do have notes showing that 5% of 9th grade Latinos (mexicans) in LA identified as white Almost 70% identified as a unique race. Civics analytic study shows white identity decrease in youthpic.twitter.com/ipDVshLUMd

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        5. Name cannot be blank‏ @oblivionrecurs Oct 11
          Replying to @oblivionrecurs @jlamadehe

          https://books.google.com/books?id=Fh6kfKq0l_QC&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=campbell+%26+rogalin,+2006&source=bl&ots=zhnzCqvxwF&sig=mnFH0QA2NDHVHyMRbbkLRWm5UcU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjWu_imkrHdAhUNWqwKHZJSC7AQ6AEwBXoECAEQAQ#v=onepage&q=campbell%20%26%20rogalin%2C%202006&f=false … I'm terrible at sources btw Hirshman, Alba, and Farley (2000) examined answers to varied question formats and found that when separate race and ethnicity questions were asked, 66.4% of Hispanics identified their race as white.pic.twitter.com/I5K4nadSFp

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        6. Name cannot be blank‏ @oblivionrecurs Oct 11
          Replying to @oblivionrecurs @jlamadehe

          However, when presented with a combined race and ethnicity question,identification as white was reduced to 13.7% and 56.4% of participants identified as Hispanic only.

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        7. Name cannot be blank‏ @oblivionrecurs Oct 11
          Replying to @oblivionrecurs @jlamadehe

          And something underreported is if whites even want Latinos to be white or live with them And the answer is lmao no https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/du-bois-review-social-science-research-on-race/article/latinao-whitening/B9FBE7377B35C96DCAD814020F887807 … Democrat appeal to Latinos dramatically decrases white vote https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11109-018-9462-8 … We're fine with Asians though:

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        8. Name cannot be blank‏ @oblivionrecurs Oct 11
          Replying to @oblivionrecurs @jlamadehe

          Latinos Need to Stay in Their Place: Differential Segregation in a Multi-Ethnic Suburb "Yet, the Asian population has also grown, but white respondents convey positive sentiments towards Asians, and express they feel comfortable living and interacting with them"

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        9. Name cannot be blank‏ @oblivionrecurs Oct 11
          Replying to @oblivionrecurs @jlamadehe

          https://www.researchgate.net/publication/288473947_Generations_of_Exclusion_Mexican_Americans_Assimilation_and_Race … https://www.nevadacurrent.com/blog/diversity-intensifies-preexisting-segregation-las-vegas-stands-out/ … In contrast to places with fast growing black populations where black-white segregation is becoming reduced, areas experiencing fast Hispanic growth are showing Hispanic-white segregation gains. (Especially among Mexicans)pic.twitter.com/Hc7waH35im

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