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Blockchain, cryptocurrency, and smart contracts pioneer. (RT/Fav/Follow does not imply endorsement). Blog: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com 

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    1. Elaine  🐤 🇮🇨‏Verified account @eiaine 5 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @davidgraeber @ColbySerpa

      maybe it seems absurd to you because it doesn't fit your preconceived notion of how money should be? believe it or not, there were societies and civilizations very different from our own that used "money" to serve different, but not unrelated, purposes.

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    2. Elaine  🐤 🇮🇨‏Verified account @eiaine 5 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @eiaine @davidgraeber @ColbySerpa

      wait a minute, i'm talking to an anthropologist! 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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    3. David Graeber‏ @davidgraeber 5 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @eiaine @ColbySerpa

      yes & you clearly think you're making anthropological points but you're not, you're just making circular arguments. No anthropologist thinks Sungir beads were "money" just because they're durable & were (presumably) considered valuable

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    4. Elaine  🐤 🇮🇨‏Verified account @eiaine 5 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @davidgraeber @ColbySerpa

      oh, my mistake. i thought anthropology was supposed to be a science, not a dogma. btw you used to recognize these objects as money back in 2001, but maybe you've changed your mind since then:pic.twitter.com/Tvm4yLZUkd

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    5. Elaine  🐤 🇮🇨‏Verified account @eiaine 5 Apr 2018
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      (source: https://www.amazon.com/Toward-Anthropological-Theory-Value-Dreams-ebook/dp/B00MAPBEK8 …)

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    6. David Graeber‏ @davidgraeber 5 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @eiaine @ColbySerpa

      you think this CONTRADICTS my later argument about social currencies???? God where would I even start? The arrogance of some people is just extraordinary.

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    7. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 5 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @davidgraeber @eiaine @ColbySerpa

      This thread isn't about your theories of social currencies.

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    8. enq‏ @opensorceguinea 5 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @davidgraeber and

      nor is it about your vision of world history and compounding fallacies; you can't just pillage the ethnographic record to create a Misesian diagram, over and over again.

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    9. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 5 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @opensorceguinea @davidgraeber and

      That's not what I'm doing, but even if it was why could I not? The record of traveler, missionary, and ethnographic accounts is not and should never be considered the monopoly of only certain specific academic ideologies.

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    10. enq‏ @opensorceguinea 5 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @davidgraeber and

      true, respekt, but "unforgeable costliness and trust minimization" don't "explain the unique two-collectible kula cycle", programmatic language is 'costly' analytically. our only supposition is that society is social, not based on 'good contracts' between 1:1 all the way up&down

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 5 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @opensorceguinea @davidgraeber and

      "Society is social" wow there's a theory you can really pin down. "-)

      9:43 AM - 5 Apr 2018
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        2. enq‏ @opensorceguinea 5 Apr 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @davidgraeber and

          theres 100x rich social theories to choose from, form marx's social relations to Mauss's social contracts to latour's association of collectives, what's impoverishing and damaging is asocial or asi theory; atomism, self-preservation and paranoia.

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        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 5 Apr 2018
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          Replying to @opensorceguinea @davidgraeber and

          In fact, trust minimizing institutions and technologies are crucial to expanding human relationships beyond the clan level. Much of this moral primitivism you cite, when applied to much larger societies, would or have lead to barbarity, e.g. of communist states.

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        4. David Graeber‏ @davidgraeber 5 Apr 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @opensorceguinea and

          just a thought: why not actually find out how intertribal trade worked in reality instead of lecturing others about what "must" have happened?

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        5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 5 Apr 2018
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          Replying to @davidgraeber @opensorceguinea and

          That's not a very credible thought, since I have studied that and much else related to early stores of value and media of wealth transfer. You might want to try actually reading what I have written instead of attacking strawmen.

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        6. Tommi Elo‏ @Tommi_M_Elo 5 Apr 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @davidgraeber and

          Aargh, just reading this ”conversation” quickly reminded me, why we are pointing the ultimate weapons of mass destruction on each other. Immidiately stop. Do you have any idea how badly we need you guys to have a real conversation? ”Really smart people never understand anything.”

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        7. David Graeber‏ @davidgraeber 5 Apr 2018
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          Replying to @Tommi_M_Elo @NickSzabo4 and

          well I'm happy to go back to the original point if you like I came in in the middle. What was it?

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        8. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 5 Apr 2018
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          Replying to @davidgraeber @Tommi_M_Elo and

          For decades my interest has been, besides a scientific curiosity about what really happened, technological, i.e. how to design better forms of money. That branched into figuring out what objects were used for money or similar & why they were designed the way they were.

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