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    1. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 29 Mar 2018
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      Idiotic ideological nonsense. There's no such thing as unsecured credit with no credit risk.

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    2. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity 29 Mar 2018
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      it is possible a government would fail to repay tokens it can produce at will, but not very likely, which is why sovereign debt in own-currency is general described as credit-risk-free. whether the tokens will have value is a different question, but it is quite rate (though not

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    3. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity 29 Mar 2018
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      quite RARE (though not entirely unheard of) for governments to default on formal debt obligations if their own scrip.

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    4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 29 Mar 2018
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      Inflation is a credit risk, and plenty (probably most) have defaulted in that manner. Using the single most powerful country in the world provides a very skewed statistic.

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    5. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity 29 Mar 2018
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      now we are just arguing over definitions. by my (conventional) definition (i wrote the slide to which you object), inflation is NOT credit risk, it is valuation risk. if you want to include valuation risk in your definition of credit risk, ok, but you are not disputing the claim.

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    6. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 29 Mar 2018
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      You are at this point just confusing your readers with bad propaganda by claiming that a phenomenon roughly under the control of the debtor that can arbitrarily reduce the value of the debt is not a credit risk.

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    7. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity 29 Mar 2018
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      no, i’m not. you attended the talk in which that slide was given, you know that valuation risk was not ignored, but was much discussed in that talk. the slide to which you now object addresses a particular historical claim, tgat the USD has been a poor value store. It has not,

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    8. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 29 Mar 2018
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      But "no credit risk" usually is not discussed in such a context, it is just used dishonestly as it was in the above use of this lide. And in any context it is an extremely confusing way to artificially constrain the definition of "credit risk."

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    9. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity 29 Mar 2018
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      what you call “dishonesty” is just use of a conventional definition you’d prefer be different. would you object less if the word “default risk” were used instead of “credit risk”? or would you object because inflation can be claimed in a substantive sense to be default? i’d agree

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    10. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 29 Mar 2018
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      That's not how people use the term "credit risk" in other contexts besides the propaganda context of the bonds of one's favorite government(s). For example, analogous situation, if a homeowner damages the home, used as collateral for mortgage, that's a credit risk.

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 29 Mar 2018
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      People in the private credit business don't make up separate artificial categories of risk and then claim their debt carries no credit risk. Only government bond propagandists do that.

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        2. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity 29 Mar 2018
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          the holder of a private mortgage’s credit risk is the risk of nonrepayment. loss of housing value affects credit risk because it affects the probability of nontrpayment. people underwater on their mortgages are much less likey to repay tha people who would lose home equity in a

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        3. Steve Randy Waldman‏ @interfluidity 29 Mar 2018
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          default. that is why home values affect mortgage credit risk!

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        4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 29 Mar 2018
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          There's a very good term for your narrower meaning, "default risk". There is no need to use two terms to mean the same thing & thereby mislead readers into ignoring very important risks involved in credit, which is what normal think when they hear the term "credit risks."

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