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    1. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 8 Mar 2018
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      U.S. Federal Reserve to teachers and students (there will be a quiz!): “Traditionally, currency is produced by a nation's government.“ https://files.stlouisfed.org/research/publications/page1-econ/2018/03/01/bitcoin-money-or-financial-investment_SE.pdf … Education or propaganda? At the very least it is quite incomplete. The following thread fills in some of the gaps:

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 8 Mar 2018
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      "Illusion" suggests its form is arbitrary, but in fact its most common & sustainable forms are very non-arbitrary technologies.

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        2. Scott‏ @scottspiegel_12 8 Mar 2018
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          The good needs to be durable, portable, divisible, and have intrinsic value(?). Only after those four qualities are met can the social illusion as “money” begin

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        4. Scott‏ @scottspiegel_12 8 Mar 2018
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          Sure. But that good could be a bad form of money, if adopted. “Good money” commodities have intrinsic properties that make it good SOV’s, MOE’s, and UOA’s. Bitcoin is a commodity that has the strongest properties of money that ever existedpic.twitter.com/t4dCTVGVeT

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        5. Brian Eppert‏ @BrianEppert 8 Mar 2018
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          Agree but would like to point out this applies to Bitcoin operating within capacity, in full-block mode it becomes less portable due to delayed confirmation times and less durable as fees are highly corrosive.

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        6. Scott‏ @scottspiegel_12 8 Mar 2018
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          Great point. Though I’d argue that a small block size is a trade off in order to maximize Bitcoin’s censorship resistance. Hoping layer 2 (⚡️) increases its portability. (Although even without layer 2, BTC is still way more portable than gold & fiat)

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        7. Brian Eppert‏ @BrianEppert 8 Mar 2018
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          Not sold on the merits of that argument especially to the degree of enforcing radical changes on BTC’s economic properties. I don’t begrudge your belief, but wouldn’t even a sufficiently small block size keep pace with technological advances? Frozen limit seems regressive.

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        8. Scott‏ @scottspiegel_12 8 Mar 2018
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          What is the tech advancement? More BTC transactions? Even if we increased to,lets say, 4mb, at some point in the future we’d run into an issue of full blocks. I think the ability for anyone to run a full node cheaply is more imp than low on-chain fees. Esp w lay 2 like ⚡️

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        9. Brian Eppert‏ @BrianEppert 8 Mar 2018
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          Meant exponential increase in bandwidth, storage, computing power. So same level of “cheap” = growing tx capacity. Even enough to support organic growth forever without being stranded with hope? Maybe LN is all they say. Seems likea reckless bet IMHO.

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        2. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 9 Mar 2018
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          There is demand for future purchases. This cannot be instantiated as a product. However, the demand can alight on a present product, which levitates its price above its value.

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        3. Alrenous‏ @Alrenous 9 Mar 2018
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          For most products, higher price causes higher production, thus lowering the price again. As a result, the future-demand normally alights on products which can't be produced. Either physically limited like gold, legally limited like fiat, or algorithmically limited like BTC.

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        1. More Seagulls Please‏ @happyseagulls 10 Mar 2018
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          do you consider arbitrary-ness a problem with "pure" cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin? With something like ETH, it has a *real world* value, even if like gold that actual utility value is far lower than its speculative value. But may act as some kind of non-arbitrary anchor?

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        1. Filippo Brunelleschi‏ @Brunelleschimo 21 Jun 2018
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          “Narrative” may be a better word than “illusion”. As a society awakes to the technical features of a new money, a story is woven around the tech. Fiat currencies hijacked an older narrative that may start to crumble as a harder money narrative (BTC) enters into circulation.

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