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Blockchain, cryptocurrency, and smart contracts pioneer. (RT/Fav/Follow does not imply endorsement). Blog: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com 

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    1. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 8 Mar 2018
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      U.S. Federal Reserve to teachers and students (there will be a quiz!): “Traditionally, currency is produced by a nation's government.“ https://files.stlouisfed.org/research/publications/page1-econ/2018/03/01/bitcoin-money-or-financial-investment_SE.pdf … Education or propaganda? At the very least it is quite incomplete. The following thread fills in some of the gaps:

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 8 Mar 2018
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      2/ Many banks besides central banks issued bank notes that circulated as currency. See work of @lawrencehwhite1 & @GeorgeSelgin • Charted Bank of India, Australia, and China, 1954 • Mechanic’s Bank, U.S.,1856 • North of Scotland bank, 1945 • Ipswich bank in England,1820spic.twitter.com/DODOeEwcFP

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        2. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 8 Mar 2018
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          3/ In the industrial revolution, factories had to attract workers with frequent pay that could be spent at bargain shops. The Royal Mint was not producing low-denomination coins, so factories minted their own. Was not the only time or place for private coins. ht @GeorgeSelginpic.twitter.com/Aq1IITZgfR

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        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 8 Mar 2018
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          4/ Vast majority of coins were minted by gvnts, but monetary use of metals was far broader than & long predated that of coins. International money was the metal not its form. "Pound", "drachma", "shekel" etc. were units of weight. https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2017/03/collecting-metal-inner-and-outer-worlds.html … https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2016/12/weigh-and-deliver-compensation-and.html …pic.twitter.com/ghz4IU6mqU

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        4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 8 Mar 2018
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          Ethnography was confounded by colonial bans on native institutions. Despite this many recorded use of shells as store of value & medium of wealth transfer. Shell beads go back over 100,000 years in archaeology. Copper was first smelted to make beads. https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2017/02/conflict-and-collectibles-among-yurok_87.html …pic.twitter.com/ZDHAa1iR9R

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        2. Daniel Skibitcky‏ @skibbi9 8 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @lawrencehwhite1 @GeorgeSelgin

          How quickly they've forgotten Pre-1863 US currency wasn't nationally issued. Something like several hundred currencies before that national banking act that year. Free banking era/wildcat banking. that's why cryptocurrency looks like right now.

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        3. George Selgin‏ @GeorgeSelgin 8 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @skibbi9 @NickSzabo4 @lawrencehwhite1

          Beware of myths about the U.S. "Free Banking" era. A truthful account here: https://www.frbatlanta.org/-/media/documents/filelegacydocs/ACFCE.pdf …

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        2. QuirkySquark ⚡️‏ @QuirkySquark 8 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @lawrencehwhite1 @GeorgeSelgin

          In Italy in the 1970s, banks did this. I remember it was not unusual to get candies in lieu of small coin change (not a bad time to be a child).

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        3. Robert Lax‏ @RobertiLax 2 Apr 2018
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          Replying to @QuirkySquark @NickSzabo4 and

          At least until the1990s, telephone tokens ("Gettone") issued by telecom company traded at par to the Italian Lira in day to day commerce in Italy, with universal and undiscounted acceptance.

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        4. QuirkySquark ⚡️‏ @QuirkySquark 2 Apr 2018
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          Replying to @RobertiLax @NickSzabo4 and

          Yes, I remenber well 😊

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        1. (((iceberg)))‏ @aniceberg 8 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @lawrencehwhite1 @GeorgeSelgin

          HSBC, todaypic.twitter.com/eEtTTueZTu

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        2. Gabor Gurbacs‏ @gaborgurbacs 8 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @lawrencehwhite1 @GeorgeSelgin

          Have you guys thought about the idea of emergent monetary feudalism? “Locally” (could be online groups with shared interests) controlled money before full decentralization. I see that sort of emergence in networks of all sorts.

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        3. Drago Indjic‏ @dindjic 8 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @gaborgurbacs @NickSzabo4 and

          #tax is collected in local fiat, bonds issued in (many) fiats

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        2. Damian Mee  😷 [ 🇭🇰 ♥️Hong Kong]‏ @meeDamian 13 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @lawrencehwhite1 @GeorgeSelgin

          Hong Kong is the best current times example, they have 3 parallel series issued by banks: • HSBC, • Standard Chartered, and • Bank of China.

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          Replying to @meeDamian @NickSzabo4 and

          Yup yup. Pretty wild as banknotes from 1980's still in circulation, making 4 series with 3 note issuing banks. The HKMA also issues the 10 dollar note... so potentially there are 13 different designs, but same 10 dollar value note.

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        4. Damian Mee  😷 [ 🇭🇰 ♥️Hong Kong]‏ @meeDamian 21 Jun 2018
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          Replying to @jonrstanley @NickSzabo4 and

          I have never seen HK$10 issued by one of the banks. Only transparent and opaque government versions.

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        5. Jon Stanley 史德信  🇭🇰 🇬🇧 🇪🇺 🇹🇼‏ @jonrstanley 21 Jun 2018
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          Replying to @meeDamian @NickSzabo4 and

          You occasionally see the green colonial HSBC ones... times I've been given them have been change at wet markets. Standard Chartered and BoC ones are way rarer... all Hongkongers hoard them when they get one... 🤣pic.twitter.com/wZBHoX3Ne7

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        6. Damian Mee  😷 [ 🇭🇰 ♥️Hong Kong]‏ @meeDamian 21 Jun 2018
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          Replying to @jonrstanley @NickSzabo4 and

          Whoa, that's awesome! I guess I need to go to HK more and visit all the wet markets while I'm there 😁.

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        1. Blizzard of Words‏ @YangVentures 8 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @lawrencehwhite1 @GeorgeSelgin

          They can just add "currently".

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        2. Damien McElvanna‏ @damiendamien 8 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @KennethCullen14 @NickSzabo4 and

          Same in Northern Ireland, which is why there are pound sterling notes issued by the Bank of Ireland and notes with soccer players on them that are legal tenderhttps://www.adverts.ie/coins-notes/george-best-five-pound-note-limited-edition-unc-banknote-with-presentation-wallet/2620253 …

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        3. Lawrence H. White‏ @lawrencehwhite1 9 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @damiendamien @KennethCullen14 and

          Technical quibble: they are a legal currency, but they are not "legal tender" in the strict sense. No creditor has to accept them in repayment of a pound-denominated debt. See file:///C:/Users/user/Downloads/S%20&%20NI%20NOTES%20FACTSHEET.pdf

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        4. Lawrence H. White‏ @lawrencehwhite1 10 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @lawrencehwhite1 @damiendamien and

          Sorry, that link should be https://www.scotbanks.org.uk/banknotes/legal-position.html …

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