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    Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 8 Mar 2018
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    U.S. Federal Reserve to teachers and students (there will be a quiz!): “Traditionally, currency is produced by a nation's government.“ https://files.stlouisfed.org/research/publications/page1-econ/2018/03/01/bitcoin-money-or-financial-investment_SE.pdf … Education or propaganda? At the very least it is quite incomplete. The following thread fills in some of the gaps:

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      2. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 8 Mar 2018
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        2/ Many banks besides central banks issued bank notes that circulated as currency. See work of @lawrencehwhite1 & @GeorgeSelgin • Charted Bank of India, Australia, and China, 1954 • Mechanic’s Bank, U.S.,1856 • North of Scotland bank, 1945 • Ipswich bank in England,1820spic.twitter.com/DODOeEwcFP

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      3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 8 Mar 2018
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        3/ In the industrial revolution, factories had to attract workers with frequent pay that could be spent at bargain shops. The Royal Mint was not producing low-denomination coins, so factories minted their own. Was not the only time or place for private coins. ht @GeorgeSelginpic.twitter.com/Aq1IITZgfR

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      4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 8 Mar 2018
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        4/ Vast majority of coins were minted by gvnts, but monetary use of metals was far broader than & long predated that of coins. International money was the metal not its form. "Pound", "drachma", "shekel" etc. were units of weight. https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2017/03/collecting-metal-inner-and-outer-worlds.html … https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2016/12/weigh-and-deliver-compensation-and.html …pic.twitter.com/ghz4IU6mqU

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      5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 8 Mar 2018
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        Ethnography was confounded by colonial bans on native institutions. Despite this many recorded use of shells as store of value & medium of wealth transfer. Shell beads go back over 100,000 years in archaeology. Copper was first smelted to make beads. https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2017/02/conflict-and-collectibles-among-yurok_87.html …pic.twitter.com/ZDHAa1iR9R

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      2. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 8 Mar 2018
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        "Illusion" suggests its form is arbitrary, but in fact its most common & sustainable forms are very non-arbitrary technologies.

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      3. Scott‏ @scottspiegel_12 8 Mar 2018
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        The good needs to be durable, portable, divisible, and have intrinsic value(?). Only after those four qualities are met can the social illusion as “money” begin

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      5. Scott‏ @scottspiegel_12 8 Mar 2018
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        Sure. But that good could be a bad form of money, if adopted. “Good money” commodities have intrinsic properties that make it good SOV’s, MOE’s, and UOA’s. Bitcoin is a commodity that has the strongest properties of money that ever existedpic.twitter.com/t4dCTVGVeT

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      6. Brian Eppert‏ @BrianEppert 8 Mar 2018
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        Replying to @scottspiegel_12 @NickSzabo4 @aantonop

        Agree but would like to point out this applies to Bitcoin operating within capacity, in full-block mode it becomes less portable due to delayed confirmation times and less durable as fees are highly corrosive.

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      7. Scott‏ @scottspiegel_12 8 Mar 2018
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        Great point. Though I’d argue that a small block size is a trade off in order to maximize Bitcoin’s censorship resistance. Hoping layer 2 (⚡️) increases its portability. (Although even without layer 2, BTC is still way more portable than gold & fiat)

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      8. Brian Eppert‏ @BrianEppert 8 Mar 2018
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        Not sold on the merits of that argument especially to the degree of enforcing radical changes on BTC’s economic properties. I don’t begrudge your belief, but wouldn’t even a sufficiently small block size keep pace with technological advances? Frozen limit seems regressive.

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      2. I don't even know these people‏ @prof_wsoff 8 Mar 2018
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        Poor Dutch will never live down their tulip craze. #tulips

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      3. david harden‏ @jdavidharden 8 Mar 2018
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        Based on the technologies developed in support of tulip cultivation, the Dutch dominated European agribusiness for at least 200 years following the “mania.”

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      4. david harden‏ @jdavidharden 8 Mar 2018
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        Replying to @jdavidharden @prof_wsoff @NickSzabo4

        Exported ~2B tulip bulbs last year.

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      2. Hodling Spock‏ @SpocksBrains 8 Mar 2018
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        "Money serves three functions in an economy: medium of exchange, store of value, and unit of account." My bank account says that fiat failed miserably at #2. That means it fails as money, right? And they got it backwards. #2 comes before #1 & is more important. What say u Feds?

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      3. abe‏ @isskewl 8 Mar 2018
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        I'm unconvinced that in the modern financial landscape of diverse liquid assets that appreciating store of value is necessary or advantageous for a medium of exchange/accounting unit.

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      4. Hodling Spock‏ @SpocksBrains 8 Mar 2018
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        I have to disagree but I understand why a person could think that in a debt/spending driven economy. The idea that not spending money could have a long-term value proposition is foreign to those who didn't experience savings APRs of +3%. Now u have to chase those returns w/ risks

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      5. abe‏ @isskewl 8 Mar 2018
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        I think the more important question involves the social utility and or ethics of the power to affect the balance between creditors and debtors.

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      6. Hodling Spock‏ @SpocksBrains 8 Mar 2018
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        If a society allows (or encourages) banks to enslave debtors through hidden and unjust taxation (printing money), regulatory and legislative rent-seeking (bailouts), and social programs that entrap (student loans), my opinion is ethics demands a re-balancing of incentives

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      7. abe‏ @isskewl 8 Mar 2018
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        3% absent inflation or default risk is good. My earlier point was that low risk can turn out to be a false assessment, hence diversification. I do not disagree with your points, but I think real solutions are rarely as binary as polarized debate casts them.

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