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    1. Ben Southwood‏Verified account @bswud 25 Jan 2018
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      According to Clark it goes the other way round! Population + income growth -> coal demand, not vice versa

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    2. Dan Jackson‏ @northumbriana 25 Jan 2018
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      But what if the coal wasn’t there?

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    3. Ben Southwood‏Verified account @bswud 25 Jan 2018
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      We'd have used all the spare wood in Russia, the Baltics, and British North America. It would have been a little more expensive, so have slowed down population growth by a v small fraction. But made no massively noticeable difference (see pp. 20-22)

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    4. Ben Southwood‏Verified account @bswud 25 Jan 2018
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      just remembered @antonhowes piece on thishttp://antonhowes.tumblr.com/post/102001277904/national-king-coal …

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    5. Dan Jackson‏ @northumbriana 25 Jan 2018
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      These are very useful correctives, thanks. I do wonder though about Baltic etc timber ‘just as easily’ replacing coal. NE coal in particular was just so convenient (accessible in not very deep seams and close to navigable rivers).

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    6. Ben Southwood‏Verified account @bswud 25 Jan 2018
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      it depends what the question is. We could have economised on heating much more, or used yet further sources of power. It's true that the precise trajectory of the IR & population increase is indebted to coal. But a similar rate of growth would likely have been achieved without

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    7. Dan Jackson‏ @northumbriana 25 Jan 2018
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      And might it have given Britain a competitive advantage - however marginal - that we had tons of the stuff under our feet, rather than in the wastes of Siberia?

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    8. Ben Southwood‏Verified account @bswud 25 Jan 2018
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      Yes it helped. But probably worth about 1-2% of the industrial revolution

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    9. Dr Anton Howes‏ @antonhowes 25 Jan 2018
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      I have seen it noted (Vries iirc?) that Baltic timber may not have been suitable for burning - but have not investigated that claim yet.

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    10. Dr Anton Howes‏ @antonhowes 25 Jan 2018
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      But even if that were true, and cost would have been, say, 10x higher, I think it’s possible to imagine coal-less acceleration of invention

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 25 Jan 2018
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      America had ample timber, and its steam engines were often fired by wood rather than coal.

      11:13 AM - 25 Jan 2018
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        2. Dr Anton Howes‏ @antonhowes 25 Jan 2018
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          This is a great observation - don’t recall Clark and Jacks accounting for American timber in their calcs either

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        3. Dr Anton Howes‏ @antonhowes 25 Jan 2018
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          P.S. I find it striking that main inventor of energy saving tech, Count Rumford, was American and started those inv while still in America

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