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Blockchain, cryptocurrency, and smart contracts pioneer. (RT/Fav/Follow does not imply endorsement). Blog: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com 

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    1. Vlad Zamfir‏ @VladZamfir 14 Jan 2018
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      Only people who actively participate in blockchain governance understand blockchain governance (At least today, at least for now)

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    2. Kate Sills‏ @kate_sills 14 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @VladZamfir

      Is off-chain governance any different than any other kind of collective action, though?

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    3. Vlad Zamfir‏ @VladZamfir 15 Jan 2018
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      I don't know much about collective action, but given what I know about coordination games it seems like there's a lot of space for similarities and lots of space for differences :P

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    4. Udi Wertheimer‏ @udiWertheimer 15 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @VladZamfir @kate_sills

      What’s off-chain governance? Is that just “governance”? Or am I being “that guy” now

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    5. Vlad Zamfir‏ @VladZamfir 15 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @udiWertheimer @kate_sills

      Yep it's "governance" as far as you're normally concerned

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    6. Kate Sills‏ @kate_sills 15 Jan 2018
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      Kate Sills Retweeted Nick Szabo  🔑

      lol, guess I'm totally 'that guy (girl)." My q was bc if people aren't using the blockchain to add something, then the governance is a collective action problem just like any other, and Szabo is right that public choice econ helpshttps://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/871859046701187073 …

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      Nick Szabo  🔑 @NickSzabo4
      Replying to @VitalikButerin @Badslinky @ssoeborg
      It will often not work out that way. I recommend reading the public choice literature on this kind of topic.
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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 15 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @kate_sills @VladZamfir @udiWertheimer

      tl;dr Politics ("governance") is corruptible and should be ruthlessly minimized.

      4:40 PM - 15 Jan 2018
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        2. Vlad Zamfir‏ @VladZamfir 16 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @kate_sills @udiWertheimer

          But at what cost? Autonomous software is not necessarily your friend; it does not necessarily encode your intent when you deploy it, can be abused, and can be the basis of a dystopian future

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        3. Kate Sills‏ @kate_sills 16 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @VladZamfir @NickSzabo4 @udiWertheimer

          I think that's a false choice. The choice isn't btwn people deciding things with no structure vs everything is encoded in a smart contract. You can divide power between roles, you can put up a bond that will be slashed if you break the rules, etc. Lots of room for invention!

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        4. oliver beige‏ @oliverbeige 16 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @kate_sills @VladZamfir and

          The autonomous driving folks I worked with hated the word "autonomous" bc every time they came up with a nifty improvement someone cried that "this isn't truly autonomous" bc the car still had a steering wheel and, more importantly, a brake.

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        5. oliver beige‏ @oliverbeige 16 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @oliverbeige @kate_sills and

          The SAE automated driving taxonomy came out of that research. I'm not aware of any blockchain that is truly autonomous. They're all "highly automated" (able to deal with all known environments but hand over to humans in unforeseen situations).

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        6. Nelson M. Rosario‏ @NelsonMRosario 17 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @oliverbeige @ecoinomia and

          Sidebar: the SAE model of the different levels of autonomy is so good.

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        7. oliver beige‏ @oliverbeige 18 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @NelsonMRosario @kate_sills and

          It's come from the peeps who are not allowed to take anything into development if it's not on secure legal grounds. Sometimes slow and deliberate corporate (or consortial) R&D has its benefits...

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        8. oliver beige‏ @oliverbeige 18 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @oliverbeige @NelsonMRosario and

          PS I'm sure there will be a similar document on enterprise almost-blockchains ("blockchain-related program activities") soon...

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        1. Crypt0cracy‏ @Crypt0cracy 17 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @TokenHash and

          Hashrate is corruptible with miner monopoly/centralized development with less secure sidechain to bailout native scaling problem. Bitcoin is a failed project, but the shill must go on, too much conglomerates with skin in the game for bubble to be over. Re-centralization=2big2fail

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        2. Alex Waters‏ @watersNYC 17 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Ragnarly and

          protocols for governance and protocols for protocol governancepic.twitter.com/GF6aM9mPrQ

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        3. Alex Waters‏ @watersNYC 17 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @watersNYC @NickSzabo4 and

          defrag politics and identify corrupt sectors

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        1. Xoel @LessHours  🏝️‏ @xoelipedes 15 Jan 2018
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          pic.twitter.com/6WVmiOXaH1

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        1. Lewis Rockliffe‏ @r0k_life 16 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @kate_sills and

          Isn't this just authoritarianism? Without discourse and compromise (politics) how will the system change in response to changing circumstances?

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        1. sourabh neema‏ @sourabh1612 17 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @kate_sills and

          The statement in itself is politicized. If you can see the irony!

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        2. Alex Waters‏ @watersNYC 17 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Ragnarly and

          micro governance in my mind looks like a shardchain where communities are fractals in a larger minimal governance protocol. how do humans organize this. we optimize towards many small decisions.

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        3. Alex Waters‏ @watersNYC 17 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @watersNYC @NickSzabo4 and

          ie. 1. “i like math” 2. “we like math” 3. “2+2=4” 4. “some of us like 1mb blocks” 5. we have our own chain and so do you + regression testing

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        1. MuteDialog‏ @MuteDialog 17 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @kate_sills and

          You can't minimise politics you can only move power around. Making something 'beyond politics', is about the most political thing you can do. Now you can argue that is a good thing but the argument for goodness is essentially political.

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