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Blockchain, cryptocurrency, and smart contracts pioneer. (RT/Fav/Follow does not imply endorsement). Blog: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com 

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    1. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 9 Jan 2018
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      Nick Szabo  🔑 Retweeted Izabella Kaminska

      Credit is and will remain crucial to our economy, but it always implies the possibility of default. Counterparty risk is an unavoidable part of credit, and makes it a less secure basis for a monetary system than a well-implemented and trust-minimized cryptocurrency.https://twitter.com/izakaminska/status/950820062927212545 …

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      Izabella Kaminska @izakaminska
      Replying to @chrisvtaylor @davidgerard and 4 others
      Whether the holy Satoshi "paper" demonises credit is incidental to the fact that the community of advocates at large does. In my experience it is a given. And everything i've ever read of Szabo's indicates similar disdain for credit.
      44 replies 250 retweets 839 likes
    2. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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      A monetary system is bounded in both sides of the coin. Risk of default is how the global economy works. You can't design this out of the system without enslaving people.

      3 replies 2 retweets 9 likes
      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 9 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @izakaminska

      How does Bitcoin enslave people?

      12:59 PM - 9 Jan 2018
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      • Randolphe Stephan Livera ∞ ⚡ https://lopp.net/bitcoin.html Master⚡️100k/2.5k BTC/LTC 2021 thangoffshore nick diminico | october 16, 2019 Interesting Threads. Spartacus Maximalist
      9 replies 1 retweet 37 likes
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        2. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4

          I can agree in good faith to make payments to x, but if/when economic or personal conditions change through no fault of my own to point i can't afford payments, the only thing I have left to pledge to avoid default is my own personal autonomy.

          2 replies 2 retweets 6 likes
        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 9 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @izakaminska

          Good for you, but bad for the also human counterpart(ies) who had been counting on you, and an utterly insecure basis for a monetary system.

          6 replies 2 retweets 38 likes
        4. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4

          THe monetary system is a reflection of human interactions and relations. These come part and parcel with credit and default risk. If you remove that feature from the money system, it can never act as a reliable abstracted system of real value allocation.

          8 replies 4 retweets 12 likes
        5. Phil Champagne‏ @egg_descrambler 17 May 2018
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          Replying to @izakaminska @NickSzabo4

          A debt based currency is a flawed system leading to artificial credit booms and credit busts. If credit is taken from a currency with a fixed supply, it reduces heavily those credit cycles.

          8 replies 29 retweets 76 likes
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        2. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4

          If you are bound to every agreement you ever make, and can never adjust or default, you are effectively enslaved by your own pre-commitments irrespective of how relative circumstances or values can change.

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 9 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @izakaminska

          Cryptocurrency of course does not make you "bound to every agreement you ever make", nor would such a fantastic state of affairs be more like slavery than taxes, the draft, or any other major coercive or quasi-coercive aspect of human existence. Stop making stuff up.

          2 replies 1 retweet 18 likes
        4. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4

          It does on a secondary level. I can say the same for you. The fact that you can't perceive the system for the much larger thing it is, is unfortunate.

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        2. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4

          A system that cannot tolerate default -- which is what a credit-free system aims to achieve -- is a system that tries to mould people into the needs of the system rather than vice versa.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. •‏ @deCustine 9 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @izakaminska @NickSzabo4

          There can still be credit in crypto in the form of asset based lending, eg @sweetbridgeinc

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @deCustine

          The critiques that apply to narrow banking and full-reserve systems apply to asset-based lending systems. I won't go into them as they're well communicated across multiple sources.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. •‏ @deCustine 9 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @izakaminska

          1/ How much do you know about utility value tokens? There are several blockchain projects I can think of that have usable utility tokens that increase in value as they are used more for said use case.

          5 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @deCustine

          If you have something of value to sell, as Friedman would have said, your objective is not to discriminate against who purchases your item. If you only conduct sales with people who hold your own unit you are de facto limiting your market.

          2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        7. •‏ @deCustine 9 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @izakaminska

          1/ Isn’t there value to existing network participants? Isn’t the idea that if the token can only be used in said network, and using said token increases its value, don’t network participants benefit?

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @deCustine

          No. It's a circular system which demands monopoly to create value. If you bought a token for x $ economic value today, your delayed redemption can only be worthwhile if underlying good is scarcer tomor than it is today.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        9. •‏ @deCustine 9 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @izakaminska

          Wouldn’t owning a token for its use case not be an investment unless the use case is purely for speculation? If you attain a token for its intended use case the redemption of value is instantaneous if it gives you access to the use case you need it for.

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