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    Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 9 Jan 2018
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    Nick Szabo  🔑 Retweeted Izabella Kaminska

    Credit is and will remain crucial to our economy, but it always implies the possibility of default. Counterparty risk is an unavoidable part of credit, and makes it a less secure basis for a monetary system than a well-implemented and trust-minimized cryptocurrency.https://twitter.com/izakaminska/status/950820062927212545 …

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    Izabella Kaminska @izakaminska
    Replying to @chrisvtaylor @davidgerard and 4 others
    Whether the holy Satoshi "paper" demonises credit is incidental to the fact that the community of advocates at large does. In my experience it is a given. And everything i've ever read of Szabo's indicates similar disdain for credit.
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      2. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        A monetary system is bounded in both sides of the coin. Risk of default is how the global economy works. You can't design this out of the system without enslaving people.

        3 replies 2 retweets 9 likes
      3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @izakaminska

        How does Bitcoin enslave people?

        9 replies 1 retweet 37 likes
      4. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        I can agree in good faith to make payments to x, but if/when economic or personal conditions change through no fault of my own to point i can't afford payments, the only thing I have left to pledge to avoid default is my own personal autonomy.

        2 replies 2 retweets 6 likes
      5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @izakaminska

        Good for you, but bad for the also human counterpart(ies) who had been counting on you, and an utterly insecure basis for a monetary system.

        6 replies 2 retweets 38 likes
      6. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        THe monetary system is a reflection of human interactions and relations. These come part and parcel with credit and default risk. If you remove that feature from the money system, it can never act as a reliable abstracted system of real value allocation.

        8 replies 4 retweets 12 likes
      7. Phil Champagne‏ @egg_descrambler 17 May 2018
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        Replying to @izakaminska @NickSzabo4

        A debt based currency is a flawed system leading to artificial credit booms and credit busts. If credit is taken from a currency with a fixed supply, it reduces heavily those credit cycles.

        8 replies 29 retweets 76 likes
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      2. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        are you simply asserting the superiority of the gold standard over the current system or is there something specific that cryptocurrency brings in your view?

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      3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @_Vimothy_

        A well implemented cryptocurrency, with mature holder and estate key management, is much more secure (trust-minimized) than gold in most ways, and far more efficient for moving value around the globe.

        2 replies 16 retweets 51 likes
      4. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        perhaps it is but surely the interesting question is whether a "well implemented cryptocurrency" can provide a more secure basis for the monetary and financial system than the alternatives, and, if so, how and why

        1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
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      2. Lawrence H. White‏ @lawrencehwhite1 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        Credit in the form of transferable bank deposits does carry some default risk, but has other advantages over crypto as a payment method, namely speed, cheapness, and denomination in the most widely used unit of account, hence less purchasing power risk.

        1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
      3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @lawrencehwhite1

        It has those advantages over gold, not, in the long run, over cryptocurrency.

        1 reply 0 retweets 13 likes
      4. Josh Crumb  🔸‏ @JoshCrumb 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4 @lawrencehwhite1

        Easy to see gold has lower purchasing power risk both short/medium term by simply observing market signal of price/volatility/skew, regardless of noise in theory or financial 'beliefs'. Bitcoin will have convenience superiority in time. Certainty of purchasing power, likely not

        2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      5. Josh Crumb  🔸‏ @JoshCrumb 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @JoshCrumb @NickSzabo4 @lawrencehwhite1

        Both gold/fiat benefit from base layer of value/stability/liquidity anchored in "commodity equivalence" of first order needs(Food/energy). While Bitcoin as mathematical system is anchored in unforgeable "scarcity of time",still subject to uncertainty of competition/system entropy

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      2. Alex Waters‏ @watersNYC 10 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        starting from a foundation that is trust minimized and having the option to create trust in higher layers is the only sane architecture that stands out to me for financial ecosystems — trust is complicated — good protocols are simple

        2 replies 18 retweets 65 likes
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      2. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        Without credit there is no possibility of scaling in any economy. And in our current structure there is no capacity of sustaining the complexity of the system. Pandora's box has been opened. Can't be shut without return to medievalism.

        7 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      3. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @izakaminska @NickSzabo4

        I have never heard a single cypherpunk argue for a ban of credit. Many appear critical of fractional reserve banking, so if that's what you take issue with, imo you could avoid confusion by being more precise.

        5 replies 2 retweets 37 likes
      4. Jan Nieuwenhuijs‏ @JanGold_ 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @TuurDemeester @izakaminska @NickSzabo4

        Wouldn’t the public be “confused” if banks create credit on top of bitcoin that has different properties than bitcoin?

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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