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    Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 9 Jan 2018
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    Nick Szabo  🔑 Retweeted Izabella Kaminska

    Early Weimar output fell billions of times less than its currency inflated. Hyperinflation here as elsewhere had next to nothing to do with industrial output and everything to do with the unreliability of fiat central banking. To pin it on output is far removed from reality:https://twitter.com/izakaminska/status/950813749564321792 …

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    Izabella Kaminska @izakaminska
    Replying to @chrisvtaylor @davidgerard and 2 others
    In other words it's the rate at which money is created relative to output which dictates if there is inflation or not. Since war time puts stress on output, it is the sudden relative oversupply of money to output which creates the problem.
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      1. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 9 Jan 2018
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        There were choices and much better ones: e.g. straightforwardly default on an unpayable debt. Returning to a trust-minimized monetary metal standard would have incentivized such straightforward behavior. Instead savers & pensioners who trusted fiat were defrauded.

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      1. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 9 Jan 2018
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        Tribute is a kind of colonization-lite. And if not payable, not so lite. Fostering undeserved trust is the methodology of con artists, and I'd say that applies to both imperial German war spending and republican Weimar banking.

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      2. Roy Sebag‏Verified account @roysebag 9 Jan 2018
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        Exactly. @izakaminska has spent far too much time in the cushy echo-chamber w/ sophist central bankers and useless academic economists. I love how she runs through varying epochs anachronistically to prove a point about "output shocks" lol First principles thinking to the rescue.

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      3. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @roysebag @NickSzabo4

        interesting presumption, given I continuously critique central bankers and bankers on their systems as well.

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      4. Roy Sebag‏Verified account @roysebag 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @izakaminska @NickSzabo4

        That's cool and all, but you're just as arrogant and misguided about monetary history and the causality of inflation based on the comments in this thread. Read A World in Debt by Freeman Tilden.

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      5. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @roysebag @NickSzabo4

        We can all play this game. I can equally retort with a hundred alternative book recommendations that prove my point. So what exactly is your point?

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      6. Roy Sebag‏Verified account @roysebag 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @izakaminska @NickSzabo4

        I am not retorting, I am elucidating. Saying the Weimar Republic hyperinflation was the cause of anything other than monetary folly par excellence is a revisionist history which doesn't reconcile with observation or more importantly the actual historical record of the time.

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      7. Roy Sebag‏Verified account @roysebag 9 Jan 2018
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        I purposely recommended a book from 1936 which provides a clear historical account of the 1918-23 Weimar. The point being that only with the benefit of tremendous hindsight do these alternative academic theories even arise as possibilities. Not rigorous and not logical.

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      8. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @roysebag @NickSzabo4

        Just because something is written at the time doesn't mean it has a superior insight on the causes or conditions. To wit, nobody knew what was really going on in 2007/2008. Especially not economists.

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      9. Roy Sebag‏Verified account @roysebag 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @izakaminska @NickSzabo4

        Nonsense. Everyone KNEW what was going on in 2007-8 and it was the economists and central bankers who didn't want to admit it, until the debt deflation literally clogged up the artery of the monetary clearing systems. Then instead of admitting what was wrong, they printed more.

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      2. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        It only takes a marginal fall in output to create an inflationary problem. It's the marginal difference that matters. A bank can collapse over not meeting a $2 debt.

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      3. Crypsi‏ @CrypsiArt 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @izakaminska @NickSzabo4

        why speak to her? - she has done nothing but call bitcoin a scam for 5 years! she uses long words from ancient history to try + appear clever - doesnt get economics - doesnt get finance - doesnt get crypto repugnant @FT shill rant over..

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      4. Crypsi‏ @CrypsiArt 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @CrypsiArt @izakaminska and

        even satoshi vulnerable to female shills that seem intelligent.. dont engage.. never trust those that espouse to know everything + offer great investment advice..pic.twitter.com/D5XfeJB7u6

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      1. Gabor Gurbacs‏ @gaborgurbacs 9 Jan 2018
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        Central banks have complex conflicts of interests. Among others, this article refers to monetary policy controls while investing for profit for their own account. https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/55-billion-profit-for-giant-asset-managerthe-swiss-central-bank-1515485509 …

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      2. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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        And that is your opinion Nick about fiat central banking. Plenty of actual economists who would disagree. Throughout history, inflationary crises have been prompted by output shocks. This applies specifically to Roman empire.

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      3. accumbens‏ @dopamine_uptake 9 Jan 2018
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        "actual economists" like the ones who've failed to predict every major economic development ever. I suggest you stop bringing the Roman empire into every discussion since you aren't an "actual historian"

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      2. Izabella Kaminska‏ @izakaminska 9 Jan 2018
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        And in the case of Weimar Germany it wasn't just output fall per se that was the prob, but lack of catch up growth (vis a vis compound interest obligations). Yes cbank did take the piss too, but you're confusing the chicken with the egg.

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      3. Peter Van Laer‏ @Petervl2 9 Jan 2018
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        Hey Izabella, may I suggest this book on the topic:https://www.amazon.com/Money-Bank-Credit-Economic-Cycles/dp/1933550392 …

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