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    Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 19 Jun 2017
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    At scale, you can't pay for coffee on a premium global blockchain. You'll need a peripheral financial ntwrk that settles on that blockchain.

    12:07 PM - 19 Jun 2017
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      2. Bill Barhydt‏ @billbarhydt 19 Jun 2017
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        what product sits on the fence between layer 1/2? a concert ticket, dinner for two, a car? What does the computer science dictate here?

        3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 19 Jun 2017
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        Replying to @billbarhydt

        Computer science doesn't give anything like a precise answer. Engineerng says to allow ample margins for error if you want to remain secure.

        5 replies 1 retweet 29 likes
      4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 19 Jun 2017
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4 @billbarhydt

        Can be confident that if one secure blockchain was used for all world's high-value txs, fees would be too high for most or all of your list.

        2 replies 1 retweet 23 likes
      5. Ptaah‏ @PtaahGohan 19 Jun 2017
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4 @billbarhydt

        (and would cost way too much energy)

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      2. Ra  🤙 🏄‍♀️ 🕊  ☮️ 🌺 ☪️‏ @holynakamoto 19 Jun 2017
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        $LTC $DASH

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      3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 19 Jun 2017
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        Replying to @holynakamoto

        At scale those will have the same problems as Bitcoin.

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      2. b_lurrrr‏ @b_lurrr 19 Jun 2017
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        Do you think the Lightning Network could be a viable solution?

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      3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 19 Jun 2017
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        Replying to @b_lurrr

        Are many solutions & potential solutions based on Lightning & variations thereof. I expect some of them will be spectacularly successful.

        2 replies 14 retweets 74 likes
      4. b_lurrrr‏ @b_lurrr 19 Jun 2017
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        But you think all solutions will be pegged to the BTC blockchain?

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      5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 19 Jun 2017
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        Replying to @b_lurrr

        No.

        2 replies 2 retweets 12 likes
      6. James Adelaide‏ @adelaide3429 20 Jun 2017
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4 @b_lurrr

        @NickSzabo4 What are your thoughts on IOTA?

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      2. Justin Ðrake‏ @drakefjustin 19 Jun 2017
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        Do you have an impossibility proof that premium global blockchains can't pay for coffee at scale? Is innovation out of the question?

        1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
      3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 19 Jun 2017
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        Replying to @drakefjustin

        It's unlikely: all known varieties of Byzantine consensus have negative economies of computational & network resource scaling.

        5 replies 5 retweets 46 likes
      4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 19 Jun 2017
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4 @drakefjustin

        Far more likely scaling on-chain coffee payment compromises security, so that blockchain is neither premium nor seamlessly global.

        1 reply 3 retweets 34 likes
      5. Justin Ðrake‏ @drakefjustin 19 Jun 2017
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        Ok. This is an educated guess, an opinion. "can't" and "need" in original tweet don't reflect that.

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      2. #2bracelets‏ @username_Dizzy 19 Jun 2017
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        pic.twitter.com/tr8wBZ6TD9

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      3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 19 Jun 2017
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        When the utopia/knowledge ratio gets too high everything negative is non-obvious. 😬

        2 replies 6 retweets 24 likes
      4. #2bracelets‏ @username_Dizzy 19 Jun 2017
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        Quite chuffed to get a reply 😊thx. I'll admit I was a 'big blocker' 2yrs ago but I did my research and came to the same obvious conclusion.

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