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Other direction better (and will teach us skills we need to later mine the heavens): http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2011/02/some-speculations-on-frontier-below-our.html … http://szabo.best.vwh.net/miningthevastydeep.html …
Astronauts on Mars would be fun, but a dead end like Apollo and the Zheng He fleets: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2006/10/how-to-succeed-or-fail-on-frontier.html … http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2009/04/polynesians-vs-adam-smith.html …
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Std of living will be like third world but w/ far greater death risk. Not place rich will want to go.
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It's seeking government not private funds.
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@BrendanEich isn't the pay as you go model what spacex is proposing? -
The SpaceX model is "gvnmt. pays us for it as we go." Like Apollo no private customer reality check. Unsustainable.
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I'm not sure that's true. SpaceX gets paid to launch dozens of satellites from private sector companies. It isn't just govt
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That's satellites in earth orbit letting millions talk, not astronauts in deep space with no business case. Vastly different.
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it's also possible that (like the ISS) we can do more rapid experiments as we increase our outposts
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while the Apollo is one big look at me, it did rapidly push technological capabilities. I would presume a Mars mission would too
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that being said, I do agree we need a sustainable way to do it
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Zheng He did not have the imperative of getting off this rock to avoid environmental / asteroid catastrophe.
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Quite the opposite -- China was living far closer to the Malthusian edge than we are.
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Mars colonies just need to find something to export (eg information), than it's only a problem of reducing importation costs
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Mars doesn't have any informational advantage, but a severe disadvantage in taking minutes to travel to or from Earth.
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Maybe human capital to export via internet? (Lack of reg could be a positive input on human cap. development)
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@BrendanEich the Apollo program was essential to bootstrapping the entire computing industry. Reducing it to rocks is absurd -
you're ignoring the technology required to make it possible. Which has the potential to create entirely new fields
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It's a good point: we don't know upside benefits. I'm leery of "best of all possible words" post-hoc arguments, though.
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Cold War gets credit (Apollo just a battle in that war). Don't want a new Cold War. Do want sustainable multiplanetary.
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The Cold War and Japanese transistor radios. And the later personal computer revolution. Would've happened w/o Apollo.
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