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    1. The Bitcoin Observer‏ @festina_lente_2 Sep 13
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      Writing a text exactly about that! Coming soon!

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    2. The Bitcoin Observer‏ @festina_lente_2 Sep 13
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      It imagine you are choosing between two types of gasoline to fuel your car. There’s an objective measure of use-value (octanes per volume, or something like that). You can objectively say that one is X better than the other. But you should talk to a chemical engineer.

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    3. Ben Kaufman‏ @_benkaufman Sep 13
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      Replying to @festina_lente_2 @Bullitoss and

      I think Menger used the term "utility" to designate this objective aspect, might be more appropriate term to make a clear distinction from the subjective concept of "value".

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    4. The Bitcoin Observer‏ @festina_lente_2 Sep 13
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      Replying to @_benkaufman @Bullitoss and

      I certainly have to dig deeper, but I think Menger used the word utility in a very different meaning from the one we do nowadays. The term utility was used by him as a property of any good (like air has utility). But only economic goods can have use-value.

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    5. The Bitcoin Observer‏ @festina_lente_2 Sep 13
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      Replying to @festina_lente_2 @_benkaufman and

      Maybe the distinction between objective/subjective use-value/exchange-value came later, from B-Bawerk. But both Mises and Rothbard used it broadly. I remember getting lost in Theory of Money and Credit by how much Mises mentioned these concepts and assumed the reader knew them.

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    6. Ben Kaufman‏ @_benkaufman Sep 13
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      Replying to @festina_lente_2 @Bullitoss and

      Not familiar enough with Bohm Bawerk's work, but I'm certain Menger made this distinction (though maybe not explicitly enough). I remember he called the disparity between this objective and subjective valuation "imaginary value", which I find pretty interesting.

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    7. The Bitcoin Observer‏ @festina_lente_2 Sep 13
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      Replying to @_benkaufman @Bullitoss and

      Yes, and that's where some people say he actually contradicted himself. I don't have an opinion on that, too thorny for my pay grade. But I do find amazing that the most fundamental pillar of economic theory (the theory of value) is not as discussed as it maybe should be.

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    8. Manuel Polavieja‏ @ManuelPolavieja Sep 13
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      Replying to @festina_lente_2 @_benkaufman and

      Qualities or properties of things are objective and are discovered through human knowledge. Qualities enable things to satisfy needs (utility). Needs are subjective. Utility and value denote the same concept. Useful things are goods. Scarce useful things are economic goods

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    9. The Bitcoin Observer‏ @festina_lente_2 Sep 13
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      Replying to @ManuelPolavieja @_benkaufman and

      I think we agree and we’re discussing terminology. I’m following Menger’s definition of utility, which is a property of goods that can fulfill needs, which in economics are given. But only economic goods can have value.

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    10. Manuel Polavieja‏ @ManuelPolavieja Sep 13
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      Replying to @festina_lente_2 @_benkaufman and

      By value you mean exchange value? If so, that follows from scarcity as there is no point on owning non-scarce goods. Only owned goods are subject to exchange. This leads to the axiom "owner<-> economic good". There is no economic good w/o owner and no owner w/o economic good.

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 13
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      Replying to @ManuelPolavieja @festina_lente_2 and

      In the case of digital money, secure control is better than legal ownership.

      4:16 PM - 13 Sep 2019
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      • Spookyvier Bastarboo 🎃🦡👻 Riding Unicorns to the Moon Ben Kaufman Carlos Souza ᅠ Manuel Polavieja Sam The Bitcoin Observer AgoristView ⚡️
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        2. Manuel Polavieja‏ @ManuelPolavieja Sep 14
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @festina_lente_2 and

          Sure, but that´s only possible for native digital money (intangible). Otherwise what you hold is a right for money (a property right or a credit against someone).

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        3. Manuel Polavieja‏ @ManuelPolavieja Sep 14
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          Replying to @ManuelPolavieja @NickSzabo4 and

          We need clearer definitions to distingish money from credit, as both can be MoE Money must be constrained to those goods that extingish debt (present goods). Credit can't extingish debt no matter if it is MoE or not Money: Present good used as MoEhttps://link.medium.com/b10EGDInYZ 

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        4. Manuel Polavieja‏ @ManuelPolavieja Sep 14
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          Replying to @ManuelPolavieja @NickSzabo4 and

          (Without the proper definitions the term "Digital Money" could be equally applied to bitcoin or to a bank's liability)

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        5. Donald McIntyre  ☣️ 🗑️‏ @TokenHash Sep 14
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          Replying to @ManuelPolavieja @NickSzabo4 and

          yeah, the lack of definition leads to bad comprehension and then bad arguments and conclusions for example: money is "shared illusion" -> thus made out of thin air -> must be regulated -> pass a laws to restrict it

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        6. Manuel Polavieja‏ @ManuelPolavieja Sep 14
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          Replying to @TokenHash @NickSzabo4 and

          "shared illusion" -> Indeed that is one of the worst definitions, if not the worst, that has ever existed.

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        7. Donald McIntyre  ☣️ 🗑️‏ @TokenHash Sep 14
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          Replying to @ManuelPolavieja @NickSzabo4 and

          I wrote this when @neha, of MIT none the less, said on national TV in "60 minutes" that "Bitcoin has value because people believe in it, and that's it!" https://etherplan.com/2019/05/24/why-does-bitcoin-have-value/7658/ … I didn't mention the 'objective physical features vs subjective value' part discussed in this thread

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        8. Manuel Polavieja‏ @ManuelPolavieja Sep 14
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          Replying to @TokenHash @NickSzabo4 and

          This is my answer to the claim "money is a shared belief". 2 minute readhttps://medium.com/@manuelpolavieja/money-bitcoin-and-social-consensus-505cc6bbc1c3 …

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        9. Donald McIntyre  ☣️ 🗑️‏ @TokenHash Sep 14
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          Replying to @ManuelPolavieja @NickSzabo4 and

          on the queue to read this weekend!

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