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    1. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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      but such things abound in the world. whether it's a governance board, monetary policy committee staffed by politicians, monetary economists, or representatives of companies, or public interest non-for profits. formal organizations are extremely vulnerable to political capture and

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    2. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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      the same applies in spades to "crypto currencies" which have such boards, as they have the additional problem of not having experience, failing to conflict of interests. there is some irony in that the genesis block quote used by satoshi of the chancellor of the exchequer quoted

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    3. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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      as "being on the brink of 2nd bailout for banks" which for context came after protracted political debate in the public sphere with the governor of the bank of england warning about moral hazard, ie politics overriding prudent financial action to not reallocate risk to the public

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    4. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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      so i think mislabelling tech improvements "governance" sets a very wrong expectation, of groups of humans in positions of authority deciding. there is no deciding there is just opt-in, backwards-compatible bitcoinium metallurgy improvements, which people adopt by consensus.

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    5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 11
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      We prize "governance" in the sense of Watt's steam engine governor, only made out of the neutron star stuff that is strong cryptography.pic.twitter.com/xy4nghz4MO

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    6. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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      yes so that less common meaning of an simple mechanical device governor is probably better typified as something else, like laws of mathematics: validated as correct due to the mathematics and not changeable by central force without automatically creating a fork.

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    7. Douglas Horn‏ @Douglas_Horn Sep 11
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      Sure cryptography ensures the validity of the contents of any block. I am talking about the meta process whereby those rules have been changed. That process has no formal governor even in the mechanical process control sense. As a result, it falls to a small group as I mentioned.

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    8. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 12
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      Replying to @Douglas_Horn @NickSzabo4 and

      The meta is immutability but tech optimization & improvement. Governance is the wrong word: it invites intuition from centuries of hierarchical cultural training that everything is up for debate, changeable if expedient, or if a special interest can assemble enough lobbying clout

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    9. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 12
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      Replying to @adam3us @Douglas_Horn and

      Bitcoin prevents a powerful elite, and populist supermajority from forcing change even if they rouse populist opinion against a minority, or are convinced they are "right". Bitcoin has individual veto to change, each user has to decide to opt-in to backwards compatible change.

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    10. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 12
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      Replying to @adam3us @Douglas_Horn and

      This is an all new phenomena, still widely under appreciated. But it must be so, otherwise Bitcoin would not be a hard money, but just another fiat currency with monetary policy committees, moral hazard, economic meddling akin to metal debasement (mixing with cheap metals).

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 12
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      Replying to @adam3us @Douglas_Horn and

      A big part of this is what I call "procedural risk" and how cheap and easy it should be to upgrade. Soft fork should be mentally very costly. Only a security emergency involving a hole in underlying protocol justifies a hard fork, IMHO. Monetary changes always out of bounds

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        2. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 12
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @adam3us and

          Bitcoin succeeds when economic nodes, developers & miners maintain an ideology that upgrades should be mentally costly & supported only for a small number of specific reasons. More procedural risk (hard fork > soft fork > non-fork upgrade) => more mental cost & fewer reasons.

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        2. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 12
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Douglas_Horn and

          This "Monetary changes always out of bounds" is why I think governance is the wrong word. When people who don't know FOSS, IETF consensus and fork game-theory, which is all novel and counter-intuitive, hear governance they think there is a committee and cast around looking for it

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        4. Phaethon Psichis‏ @Phaethon_P Sep 12
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          Replying to @Phaethon_P @adam3us and

          Meta Rules can produce different game forms ie a fork, introduce a new monetary policy which result in a different set of available games. Meta Rules include some kind of incentives compatible mechanism.

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        5. Phaethon Psichis‏ @Phaethon_P Sep 12
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          Replying to @Phaethon_P @adam3us and

          Governance mechanisms are the set of Meta Rules for changing the rules to generate new "game forms". DDS deploy Various forms of Voting systems on/off chain and explicitly or implicitly declared or even not specified. Whatever the case Meta Rules govern.

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        6. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 12
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          Replying to @Phaethon_P @adam3us and

          Great, I'm glad the Meta Rules allow for so many possibilities. Let's vote for Governor Kitty's game, it's really fun. The Governor is such a nice guy and he makes sure we are all very civil to each other.pic.twitter.com/weVTbRF1ue

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        1. she wants the [jhon]nY‏ @imjohndean Sep 12
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          Agreed

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        1. xcsler_returns ₿‏ @xcsler Sep 12
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          In the short term hard forks are a voting machine, in the long term they are a weighing machine.

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        1. Carsten‏ @CarstenBKK Sep 12
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @adam3us and

          Would you also classify real world consequences of protocol features as a security emergency, if they endanger the system's overall security? Some unforeseen consequence which is compatible with the current protocol rules but if exploited would render the protocol useless?

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        1. AnonymousEconomist‏ @AnonOnAMoose Sep 12
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          How about to increase block size? Hard fork okay? Genuine question

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        1. Douglas Horn‏ @Douglas_Horn Sep 12
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          I agree. Some of the proposals people have come up with are ludicrous. As always, I appreciate hearing your thoughts on this. The conversation spun rather far off what I meant as a simple comment. Twitter has rapidly diminishing returns to me.

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        1. Ciarán Murray‏ @C1aranMurray Sep 12
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          SegWit was a monetary change 🤷‍♂️

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