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    1. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Douglas_Horn and

      thing is, governance implies there is a governor "an official with the power" which absolutely must be absent and we need to ruthlessly educate newcomers why Bitcoin can not work that way. more like improved metallurgy process, which are fine if people opt to accept the gold bars

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    2. electo‏ @3L3C70 Sep 11
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      There doesnt need to be a single person or entity that needs to be a "governor". A group of people would qualify too. Economic majority, or miners etc.

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    3. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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      but such things abound in the world. whether it's a governance board, monetary policy committee staffed by politicians, monetary economists, or representatives of companies, or public interest non-for profits. formal organizations are extremely vulnerable to political capture and

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    4. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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      the same applies in spades to "crypto currencies" which have such boards, as they have the additional problem of not having experience, failing to conflict of interests. there is some irony in that the genesis block quote used by satoshi of the chancellor of the exchequer quoted

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    5. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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      as "being on the brink of 2nd bailout for banks" which for context came after protracted political debate in the public sphere with the governor of the bank of england warning about moral hazard, ie politics overriding prudent financial action to not reallocate risk to the public

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    6. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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      so i think mislabelling tech improvements "governance" sets a very wrong expectation, of groups of humans in positions of authority deciding. there is no deciding there is just opt-in, backwards-compatible bitcoinium metallurgy improvements, which people adopt by consensus.

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    7. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 11
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      Replying to @adam3us @3L3C70 and

      We prize "governance" in the sense of Watt's steam engine governor, only made out of the neutron star stuff that is strong cryptography.pic.twitter.com/xy4nghz4MO

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    8. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @3L3C70 and

      yes so that less common meaning of an simple mechanical device governor is probably better typified as something else, like laws of mathematics: validated as correct due to the mathematics and not changeable by central force without automatically creating a fork.

      1 reply 0 retweets 12 likes
    9. Douglas Horn‏ @Douglas_Horn Sep 11
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      Replying to @adam3us @NickSzabo4 and

      Sure cryptography ensures the validity of the contents of any block. I am talking about the meta process whereby those rules have been changed. That process has no formal governor even in the mechanical process control sense. As a result, it falls to a small group as I mentioned.

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    10. Hanakookie‏ @Hanakookie1 Sep 11
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      Replying to @Douglas_Horn @adam3us and

      Doesn’t fall to a small group. Sure a small group creates the code. But that means nothing. Everyone with a node is free to run it or not. You should write up a BIP and see if anyone runs it. Or just don’t play word games.

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 11
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      Replying to @Hanakookie1 @Douglas_Horn and

      But he was having so much fun waving his hands about governance, governance wonderful, governance necessary, everybody gotta make decisions some tinme therefore governance, governance governance. And now you actually want to talk about something specific like BIP?

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        2. Hanakookie‏ @Hanakookie1 Sep 11
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Douglas_Horn and

          He can fork bitcoin anytime. Bitcoin gov is still open. He can pump and dump it on binance too. Plus I can increase my stack by dumping his coin.

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        3. Douglas Horn‏ @Douglas_Horn Sep 11
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          Replying to @Hanakookie1 @NickSzabo4 and

          I see contentious forks as a failure of governance.

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        4. Hanakookie‏ @Hanakookie1 Sep 11
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          Replying to @Douglas_Horn @NickSzabo4 and

          It’s good you contribute to something else. And using the term governance is ambiguous. Sit down in a crowded room. One person stands up. Looks around. Then another stands up. Looks around. Before you know it enough ppl are standing up. Then boom everyone is. I now have

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        5. Hanakookie‏ @Hanakookie1 Sep 11
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          Replying to @Hanakookie1 @Douglas_Horn and

          Consensus. Like a swarm as Shinobi calls it. Now why did the first person stand up. I really don’t know. Why did everyone else stand up after. I guess it sounded like a good idea. Basically changes get made that appeals to our nature as humans. It just does.

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        1. Douglas Horn‏ @Douglas_Horn Sep 11
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Hanakookie1 and

          I was saying that there is a process that exists on Bitcoin and everyone else in the world calls it governance. Respectfully, I'm sure we both have better things to do than continue this particular discussion.

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