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    1. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 9
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      oh ic you mean change. maybe this is a good place to start about change process for FOSS, IETF and Bitcoin "The Tao of Bitcoin Development" https://medium.com/@bergealex4/the-tao-of-bitcoin-development-ff093c6155cd … no governance does not mean no change. governance in crypto lingo means human discretion over economic policy.

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    2. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 9
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      Replying to @adam3us @C1aranMurray and

      no governance does not mean not fixing a bug, not implementing win-win improvements, in a backwards compatible way that does not impinge on anyone's ownership, functionality, nor supply etc. @bergealex4 see also this talk on the topic by @LukeDashjrhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8Onzq46YZg …

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    3. Douglas Horn‏ @Douglas_Horn Sep 11
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      "Governance" is the process of how rules are made, changed and implemented. Since these things occur in the bitcoin protocol, it has governance. Applying very narrow definitions outside the norms hampers meaningful discourse.

      3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 11
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      Replying to @Douglas_Horn @adam3us and

      Nick Szabo  🔑 Retweeted Nick Szabo  🔑

      Rather than literally zero governance Adam perhaps means that Bitcoin governance is something like choice (3) below.https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/1009996445280169985 …

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      Nick Szabo  🔑 @NickSzabo4
      "Blockchain governance" generally comes in only three varieties: (1) Lord of the Flies, (2) lawyers, or (3) ruthlessly minimized.
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    5. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Douglas_Horn and

      thing is, governance implies there is a governor "an official with the power" which absolutely must be absent and we need to ruthlessly educate newcomers why Bitcoin can not work that way. more like improved metallurgy process, which are fine if people opt to accept the gold bars

      3 replies 3 retweets 24 likes
    6. electo‏ @3L3C70 Sep 11
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      Replying to @adam3us @NickSzabo4 and

      There doesnt need to be a single person or entity that needs to be a "governor". A group of people would qualify too. Economic majority, or miners etc.

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    7. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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      Replying to @3L3C70 @NickSzabo4 and

      but such things abound in the world. whether it's a governance board, monetary policy committee staffed by politicians, monetary economists, or representatives of companies, or public interest non-for profits. formal organizations are extremely vulnerable to political capture and

      2 replies 2 retweets 10 likes
    8. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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      Replying to @adam3us @3L3C70 and

      the same applies in spades to "crypto currencies" which have such boards, as they have the additional problem of not having experience, failing to conflict of interests. there is some irony in that the genesis block quote used by satoshi of the chancellor of the exchequer quoted

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    9. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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      Replying to @adam3us @3L3C70 and

      as "being on the brink of 2nd bailout for banks" which for context came after protracted political debate in the public sphere with the governor of the bank of england warning about moral hazard, ie politics overriding prudent financial action to not reallocate risk to the public

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    10. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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      Replying to @adam3us @3L3C70 and

      so i think mislabelling tech improvements "governance" sets a very wrong expectation, of groups of humans in positions of authority deciding. there is no deciding there is just opt-in, backwards-compatible bitcoinium metallurgy improvements, which people adopt by consensus.

      3 replies 1 retweet 17 likes
      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 11
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      Replying to @adam3us @3L3C70 and

      We prize "governance" in the sense of Watt's steam engine governor, only made out of the neutron star stuff that is strong cryptography.pic.twitter.com/xy4nghz4MO

      11:58 AM - 11 Sep 2019
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        2. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @3L3C70 and

          yes so that less common meaning of an simple mechanical device governor is probably better typified as something else, like laws of mathematics: validated as correct due to the mathematics and not changeable by central force without automatically creating a fork.

          1 reply 0 retweets 12 likes
        3. Douglas Horn‏ @Douglas_Horn Sep 11
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          Replying to @adam3us @NickSzabo4 and

          Sure cryptography ensures the validity of the contents of any block. I am talking about the meta process whereby those rules have been changed. That process has no formal governor even in the mechanical process control sense. As a result, it falls to a small group as I mentioned.

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        4. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 12
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          Replying to @Douglas_Horn @NickSzabo4 and

          The meta is immutability but tech optimization & improvement. Governance is the wrong word: it invites intuition from centuries of hierarchical cultural training that everything is up for debate, changeable if expedient, or if a special interest can assemble enough lobbying clout

          2 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
        5. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 12
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          Replying to @adam3us @Douglas_Horn and

          Bitcoin prevents a powerful elite, and populist supermajority from forcing change even if they rouse populist opinion against a minority, or are convinced they are "right". Bitcoin has individual veto to change, each user has to decide to opt-in to backwards compatible change.

          3 replies 7 retweets 16 likes
        6. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 12
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          Replying to @adam3us @Douglas_Horn and

          This is an all new phenomena, still widely under appreciated. But it must be so, otherwise Bitcoin would not be a hard money, but just another fiat currency with monetary policy committees, moral hazard, economic meddling akin to metal debasement (mixing with cheap metals).

          2 replies 2 retweets 20 likes
        7. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 12
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          Replying to @adam3us @Douglas_Horn and

          A big part of this is what I call "procedural risk" and how cheap and easy it should be to upgrade. Soft fork should be mentally very costly. Only a security emergency involving a hole in underlying protocol justifies a hard fork, IMHO. Monetary changes always out of bounds

          8 replies 4 retweets 51 likes
        8. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 12
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @adam3us and

          Bitcoin succeeds when economic nodes, developers & miners maintain an ideology that upgrades should be mentally costly & supported only for a small number of specific reasons. More procedural risk (hard fork > soft fork > non-fork upgrade) => more mental cost & fewer reasons.

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        1. Anton Seim  🔑‏ @antonseim Sep 11
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          https://youtu.be/ASIl3HWTT4U 

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        1. Phaethon Psichis‏ @Phaethon_P Sep 11
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          For some time now I'm trying to find a way to implement incomplete contracts in a venting machine.

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        2. Douglas Horn‏ @Douglas_Horn Sep 11
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @adam3us and

          Certainly, but you know, of course, that other forms of "governance" (implementing and changing rules or processes by which things are done) exist where Bitcoin is concerned. PRs are merged. Nodes are updated. I call this "governance." What term do you prefer for the process?

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