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    1. iang‏ @iang_fc Sep 9
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @bitcoin_bolsa

      if the rules are simple and can be secured (automated?) then that is protocol not governance. If you choose to eliminate, then there is no abyss, but there is also no governance.

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    2. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 9
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      Replying to @iang_fc @NickSzabo4 @bitcoin_bolsa

      indeed, that's what Bitcoiners have been trying to say: governance is a dirty word! no governance.

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    3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 9
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      Replying to @adam3us @iang_fc @bitcoin_bolsa

      And indeed governance minimization, via substituting security protocol for governance wherever possible, is why Bitcoin's market cap dwarfs that of any altcoin, and especially dwarfs the "governance-uber-alles" shitcoins.

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    4. iang‏ @iang_fc Sep 9
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @adam3us @bitcoin_bolsa

      yet, the EOS experiment removed its governance and reduced its market cap. So, no, no causality seen here, move on please.

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    5. Ciarán Murray‏ @C1aranMurray Sep 9
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      Replying to @iang_fc @NickSzabo4 and

      The optimal strategy probably looks something like this. https://vitalik.ca/general/2018/08/26/layer_1.html … There's definitely a happy medium (in the abyss) between governance-uber-alles and completely ignoring research breakthroughs in security/scaling optimisations.

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    6. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 9
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      Replying to @C1aranMurray @iang_fc and

      Most of the practical, secure and dependable scaling applied research is actually happenig in Bitcoin, or blue sky cryptography research, unrelated to alts

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    7. Ciarán Murray‏ @C1aranMurray Sep 9
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      Replying to @adam3us @iang_fc and

      Such as? (and how can it be implemented if you've outright rejected governance as you say above)

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    8. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 9
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      Replying to @C1aranMurray @iang_fc and

      oh ic you mean change. maybe this is a good place to start about change process for FOSS, IETF and Bitcoin "The Tao of Bitcoin Development" https://medium.com/@bergealex4/the-tao-of-bitcoin-development-ff093c6155cd … no governance does not mean no change. governance in crypto lingo means human discretion over economic policy.

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    9. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 9
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      Replying to @adam3us @C1aranMurray and

      no governance does not mean not fixing a bug, not implementing win-win improvements, in a backwards compatible way that does not impinge on anyone's ownership, functionality, nor supply etc. @bergealex4 see also this talk on the topic by @LukeDashjrhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8Onzq46YZg …

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    10. Douglas Horn‏ @Douglas_Horn Sep 11
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      Replying to @adam3us @C1aranMurray and

      "Governance" is the process of how rules are made, changed and implemented. Since these things occur in the bitcoin protocol, it has governance. Applying very narrow definitions outside the norms hampers meaningful discourse.

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 11
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      Replying to @Douglas_Horn @adam3us and

      Nick Szabo  🔑 Retweeted Nick Szabo  🔑

      Rather than literally zero governance Adam perhaps means that Bitcoin governance is something like choice (3) below.https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/1009996445280169985 …

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      Nick Szabo  🔑 @NickSzabo4
      "Blockchain governance" generally comes in only three varieties: (1) Lord of the Flies, (2) lawyers, or (3) ruthlessly minimized.
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        2. John W.  🇮🇪 🇺🇸 🇪🇸 🇪🇺‏ @_JohnWhelan Sep 11
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Douglas_Horn and

          The problem with #3 is that at some point it gets hard to distinguish "ruthlessly minimized" from centralized dictatorial control.

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        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 11
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          Replying to @_JohnWhelan @Douglas_Horn and

          How so? What is an example of where such confusion might arise?

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        4. John W.  🇮🇪 🇺🇸 🇪🇸 🇪🇺‏ @_JohnWhelan Sep 11
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Douglas_Horn and

          The is implication of the term "ruthless minimization" taken to the extreme leads to control by a single person/entity or tiny group of individuals. That's what it says to me anyway.

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        5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 11
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          Replying to @_JohnWhelan @Douglas_Horn and

          That's quite an imagination you have. No, it's about what beliefs among the decentralized devs and node operators will produce the most trust-minimized outcomes. When these decentralized decision-makers believe in ruthlessly minimizing the number of decisions they need to make.

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        6. John W.  🇮🇪 🇺🇸 🇪🇸 🇪🇺‏ @_JohnWhelan Sep 11
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Douglas_Horn and

          Your definition provides some clarity behind what you were thinking. Taken by itself it is not a stretch to imagine "ruthless minimization" leading to centralized control of something.

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        7. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 11
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          Replying to @_JohnWhelan @Douglas_Horn and

          It seems a stretch to me, but thank you for the opportunity to clarify.

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        2. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Douglas_Horn and

          thing is, governance implies there is a governor "an official with the power" which absolutely must be absent and we need to ruthlessly educate newcomers why Bitcoin can not work that way. more like improved metallurgy process, which are fine if people opt to accept the gold bars

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        3. electo‏ @3L3C70 Sep 11
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          Replying to @adam3us @NickSzabo4 and

          There doesnt need to be a single person or entity that needs to be a "governor". A group of people would qualify too. Economic majority, or miners etc.

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        4. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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          Replying to @3L3C70 @NickSzabo4 and

          but such things abound in the world. whether it's a governance board, monetary policy committee staffed by politicians, monetary economists, or representatives of companies, or public interest non-for profits. formal organizations are extremely vulnerable to political capture and

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        5. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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          Replying to @adam3us @3L3C70 and

          the same applies in spades to "crypto currencies" which have such boards, as they have the additional problem of not having experience, failing to conflict of interests. there is some irony in that the genesis block quote used by satoshi of the chancellor of the exchequer quoted

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        6. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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          Replying to @adam3us @3L3C70 and

          as "being on the brink of 2nd bailout for banks" which for context came after protracted political debate in the public sphere with the governor of the bank of england warning about moral hazard, ie politics overriding prudent financial action to not reallocate risk to the public

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        7. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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          Replying to @adam3us @3L3C70 and

          so i think mislabelling tech improvements "governance" sets a very wrong expectation, of groups of humans in positions of authority deciding. there is no deciding there is just opt-in, backwards-compatible bitcoinium metallurgy improvements, which people adopt by consensus.

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        8. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 11
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          Replying to @adam3us @3L3C70 and

          We prize "governance" in the sense of Watt's steam engine governor, only made out of the neutron star stuff that is strong cryptography.pic.twitter.com/xy4nghz4MO

          4 replies 2 retweets 28 likes
        9. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Sep 11
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @3L3C70 and

          yes so that less common meaning of an simple mechanical device governor is probably better typified as something else, like laws of mathematics: validated as correct due to the mathematics and not changeable by central force without automatically creating a fork.

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        2. Ciarán Murray‏ @C1aranMurray Sep 11
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Douglas_Horn and

          Which is where anyone that properly understands blockchains (IMO) wants to get to. In the meantime we’ll have to crack some eggs to make an omelette so we’re not looking to smtng like Liquid to scale to global finance levels b/c as a wise man once said “TTPs are security...”

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        3. Douglas Horn‏ @Douglas_Horn Sep 11
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          Replying to @C1aranMurray @NickSzabo4 and

          Defining a common language is one of the things that will help demystify crypto to the masses. We can't hold on to our own precious definitions contrary to common usage and expect mass adoption.

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        4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 11
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          Replying to @Douglas_Horn @C1aranMurray and

          "Governance" isn't particularly helpful in the language or communications department. It's such a broad and vague term, if one can possibly substitute a more specific word for it one should do so.

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        5. Douglas Horn‏ @Douglas_Horn Sep 11
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @C1aranMurray and

          I agree. We need a better common vocabulary. But we should examine whether our current one is fostering or hindering communication. I think this is a case of the latter.

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        2. The Bitcoin Observer‏ @festina_lente_2 Sep 11
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Douglas_Horn and

          Legal philosopher Bruno Leoni wrote a book called "Freedom and the Law". He argues that not only laws without legislation is possible and desirable, but it's the cornerstone of both Roman private law and the English common law systems. I find this directly applicable to BTC.

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        3. Beautyon‏ @Beautyon_ Sep 11
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          Replying to @festina_lente_2

          Law is perfectly possible without legislation; any King can do it by simple declaration, and so can a land owner. People are very confused about all of this, and the true power and need for "government". The way things are today is just a phase.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kPyrq6SEL0 …

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        4. The Bitcoin Observer‏ @festina_lente_2 Sep 11
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          Replying to @Beautyon_

          Leoni was also a linguist and he was very specific about the terms he used. The first 1/3 of his book or so is only about defining freedom. By law without legislation I think he means discovering law from tradition instead of anyone imposing it. So this case is also covered.

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        5. The Bitcoin Observer‏ @festina_lente_2 Sep 11
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          Replying to @festina_lente_2 @Beautyon_

          His idea is somewhat an expansion of Menger’s theory of the origins of money to one of the origins of social institutions. Hayek drew heavily from him to get to his idea of spontaneous order in legislative systems. It’s a great book!

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