The cost of reorging the whole chain is lower than total value of the network. For a large enough payment you cannot rely on waiting for enough confirmations to accumulate PoW in order to make it economically irrational to revert. Security is not just PoW.
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That means Bitcoin doesn't secure such a large transaction. Something else may or may not secure it, but Bitcoin does not. What did you think it meant?
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Replying to @NickSzabo4 @eiaine and
I see. Do you have a post explaining this in depth? I’d mainly want to understand if you consider coin issuance one of those large paymets, with many recipients, or you think coinbases are different from single tx payment outputs.
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Replying to @fnietom @NickSzabo4 and
Bitcoin protocol is enforced by people that use and validate the bitcoins they receive. When you talk about a long period re-org, that's a man-made attack. I personally would refuse to follow that chain and pay fees only to the miners that work on the legacy chain.
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In other words, you would fork. Others wouldn't. The result would be a disaster encouraged by this soothing nonsense. To claim that this is a great way to secure large transactions, so don't worry rely on that 100,000 BTC you just received afte just a few confirms, is ludicrous.
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Replying to @NickSzabo4 @fnietom and
1. Yes this would mean a fork. But that would mean that economic actors (exchanges, companies, users) would have to decide which chain is the correct one and people would sell/buy the coins that are relevant for them as Bitcoin.
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It's a disaster, not a security protocol. And txs aren't just a theory any more, they are starting to happen. Are you really going to put Bitcoin's reliability on the line for the sake of soothing some ultra-whale? "Go ahead screw BTC with a big tx, we'll bail you out."
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Replying to @NickSzabo4 @fnietom and
ok I think I understand what you are saying: if people have to take action to invalidate a re-org (hard-fork), than the security proposition of Bitcoin is invalidated, which stated that the proof-of-work is enough to know the truth. Is this correct?
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It always has been valid for normal txs, invalid for sufficiently large txs. It's catastrophic nonsense to claim that it's OK to rely on a 100,000 BTC tx after a few confirms because hand-wave "social" "just theory" when in fact the Bitcoin protocol does not secure that tx.
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Replying to @NickSzabo4 @fnietom and
I agree with this and is common sense they need to wait a lot. I was reffering more to the complete reorg of the chain from genesis.
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Many others are applying such arguments far more dubiously to far shorter time frames.
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Replying to @NickSzabo4 @zndtoshi and
Maybe a silly question but, in order to avoid those reckless whale tx, would it make any sense that the protocol imposes a cap per tx somehow linked to difficulty?
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Replying to @ManuelPolavieja @NickSzabo4 and
(if not a cap, maybe at lest a huge warning confirmation prompt on bitcoin core and wallets)
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