@NickSzabo4 suggests to wait a few month for $1b.
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Replying to @koeppelmann @udiWertheimer and
Yeah looks like he’s following the “Ou rule” aka wait until security spend matches txn value ~52 days for $1b. I think that’s overkill.
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Replying to @nic__carter @koeppelmann and
Fernando Nieto Retweeted Fernando Nieto
This rule is provably not useful for big enough payments (N txs),
@eiaine.https://twitter.com/fnietom/status/1118973616400535557?s=21 …Fernando Nieto added,
Fernando Nieto @fnietomIt would cost 585,000 BTC to reorg the whole chain in 325 days, and an additional 585,000 BTC to catch up with the honest chain from genesis in that time. Either PoW is not the only thing securing Bitcoin or Satoshi should be worried about his coins security after next halving. pic.twitter.com/qbPaPdH7py1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @fnietom @nic__carter and
hmm... i disagree with the claim that it would cost 585,000 BTC to reorg the whole chain in 325 days
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Replying to @eiaine @nic__carter and
Do you think electricity market liquidity would increase that value much more than economies of scale in equipment would reduce it or what’s your rationale?
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Replying to @fnietom @nic__carter and
- electricity/hashrate sold in fiat, and would need to secure the resources up front (it would be a huge loss to abandon the effort halfway) - impossible to predict hashrate/price a year in advance
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Replying to @eiaine @nic__carter and
I don’t see how those arguments can change that figure significantly. Even if it’s double what I stated it would falsify your security rule.
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I haven't seen anything falsified here. What are you talking about?
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Replying to @NickSzabo4 @eiaine and
The cost of reorging the whole chain is lower than total value of the network. For a large enough payment you cannot rely on waiting for enough confirmations to accumulate PoW in order to make it economically irrational to revert. Security is not just PoW.
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Replying to @fnietom @NickSzabo4 and
IIRC a reorg like this would not go unnoticed, so the attack would only make sense if the goal was to kill bitcoin. The attacker wouldnt be able to extract the value would they? Disclosure: I am new-ish and wanting to learn.
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1. Many influential people hate Bitcoin, and organizations who can conjure about as much money as they want out of thin air (central banks) may have a motive to kill Bitcoin. 2. Hand-waving arguments about factors external to Bitcoin should be heavily discounted.
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