Nick Szabo 🔑 on Twitter: "Abandoned long ago, in no small part due to Ethereum leadership's poor understanding of governance and trust minimization.… https://t.co/0OLXyqDh4K"

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Bernhard Mueller‏ @muellerberndt Sep 6

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Replying to @hasufl @koeppelmann and

Re-org depends on perspective no? Under "code is law" Bitcoin nodes are expected to follow the chain with the most work, even if the longer chain appears after a day. Anything else would be an active act of social governance.

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Hasu‏ @hasufl Sep 6

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Replying to @muellerberndt @koeppelmann and

Correct, we are talking about social intervention here. When should we use, how fast can we use it, etc.

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Bernhard Mueller‏ @muellerberndt Sep 6

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You are treading in dangerous waters @Hasu In practice I think you're right that some form of community governance will happen in that situation if the situation is catastrophic and a large enough percentage of the community is affected.

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Bernhard Mueller‏ @muellerberndt Sep 6

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It won't be framed as such though - there will be one group shouting "consensus is decided by nodes/users so it's OK to re-org using a snapshot" and another group shouting "Nakamoto consensus is king" plus a contentious fork.

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Ignatius J. Reilly‏ @CryptoSecundus Sep 6

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What about immutability? All this years preaching the dogma and now let's use social consensus to decide what chain we like?

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Hasu‏ @hasufl Sep 6

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Replying to @CryptoSecundus @muellerberndt and

Radical immutability serves no purpose. Bitcoin is a tool made by humans to serve humans. If it stops being useless, we need to be able to change it (and we are - we can always move to an identical copy without e.g. a bug)

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Nick Szabo ‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 6

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"Serves no purpose"?! WTF?! Good grief you are one of these vile creatures: https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2006/10/hello-kitty-people.html … You have outed yourself as an enemy of Bitcoin security. Blocked.

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Vitalik Non-giver of Ether‏Verified account @VitalikButerin Sep 6

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Replying to @NickSzabo4 @hasufl and

I feel like I more-agree-than-disagree with the comment you're replying to. And I love Hello Kitty. Am I an enemy of Bitcoin security? I actually feel like my position (socially rejecting day-long 51% attacks ) if adopted would *increase* Bitcoin's security...

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Nick Szabo ‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 6

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Replying to @VitalikButerin @hasufl and

You probably are yes. Stick to experimenting with your kitties on Ethereum.

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Ameen Soleimani ‏ @ameensol Sep 6

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Replying to @NickSzabo4 @VitalikButerin and

How's your #Ethereum venture going @NickSzabo4?https://medium.com/@jamesfickel/satoshi-is-actually-building-an-ethereum-company-and-other-developments-2c95c08685f7 …

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Nick Szabo ‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 6

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Replying to @ameensol @VitalikButerin and

Abandoned long ago, in no small part due to Ethereum leadership's poor understanding of governance and trust minimization.

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1. ؜‏ @oskarth Sep 6
  
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  Are there any projects you are genuinely excited and optimistic about, outside of Bitcoin and Monero? Specifically when it comes to smart contracts, as you see them.
  
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1. vo1d ⬡‏ @ivoidw4rranties Sep 6
  
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  Pardon me if I sound stupid, but isn't every state change on the Ethereum blockchain ran simultaneously by every miner before being immutably recorded to its blockchain? Or are you referring to some $ETH 2.0 change I haven't read into yet?
  
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1. Matthew Lynch‏ @framboso Sep 10
  
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  Probably you have to break bitcoin unless you can make anonymity work for you
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