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Blockchain, cryptocurrency, and smart contracts pioneer. (RT/Fav/Follow does not imply endorsement). Blog: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com 

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    1. Martin Köppelmann‏ @koeppelmann Sep 6
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      Replying to @nic__carter @udiWertheimer and

      @NickSzabo4 suggests to wait a few month for $1b.

      4 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
    2. Hasu‏ @hasufl Sep 6
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      Replying to @koeppelmann @nic__carter and

      A few days should be safe because after that point a reorg causes so much collateral damage that the attacker can't expect the network to converge on his version of the chain. The social layer would definitely reject it.

      2 replies 1 retweet 51 likes
    3. Martin Köppelmann‏ @koeppelmann Sep 6
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      the attacker can control the size of the collateral damage by simply replaying transactions 1:1 that are not part of the attack.

      2 replies 0 retweets 17 likes
    4. Hasu‏ @hasufl Sep 6
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      I was assuming that already, but he can't replay coinbase transactions. These coins and their ancestors will definitely be destroyed, causing havoc in the network.

      2 replies 0 retweets 24 likes
    5. Martin Köppelmann‏ @koeppelmann Sep 6
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      Replying to @hasufl @nic__carter and

      those can only be spend 100 blocks after mined. So for a 200 block reorg we are talking about 100*12.5 = 1250 BTC ~$12.500.000 I am aware that IN THEORY those missing UTXOs can block an unlimited amount of total tx. In practice this seems unlikely.

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    6. Hasu‏ @hasufl Sep 6
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      Replying to @koeppelmann @nic__carter and

      So you think Bitcoin nodes would accept a reorg more than a couple days deep? The recent Binance incident implies otherwise. There was immediate support, incl. from core devs, to reject that reorg which wasn't even a day deep and not coming from a hostile entity.

      3 replies 0 retweets 19 likes
    7. Martin Köppelmann‏ @koeppelmann Sep 6
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      Replying to @hasufl @nic__carter and

      I don't know. @udiWertheimer recently told me that he expects 24h reorgs to happen in the future and he seems fine with that idea.

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    8. Hasu‏ @hasufl Sep 6
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      I agree with Udi. But we are talking about today. The probability that even a one-day reorg would be accepted is near zero based on all we know, and for 4-5 days it's definitely zero.https://twitter.com/hasufl/status/1169972336457637888?s=20 …

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      That suggests to me that the Bitcoin community is rather too strict with reorgs than too lenient (something I expect to change in the future to a degree)
      3 replies 1 retweet 9 likes
    9. Eric Wall IS RIGHT‏ @ercwl Sep 6
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      Replying to @hasufl @koeppelmann and

      Zero? 99% of nodes are programmed to accept it automatically. Almost the entire network will continue on the reorged version... maybe enough exchanges will freeze to fend it off, but it may take a considerable time while many still treat the reorg version as the valid head?

      4 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
    10. Hasu‏ @hasufl Sep 6
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      Replying to @ercwl @koeppelmann and

      Looks like I have more faith than you guys in Bitcoin's governance to come to consensus swiftly to rejecting the reorg manually

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 6
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      https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/1009996445280169985 …

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      Nick Szabo  🔑 @NickSzabo4
      "Blockchain governance" generally comes in only three varieties: (1) Lord of the Flies, (2) lawyers, or (3) ruthlessly minimized.
      7:22 AM - 6 Sep 2019
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        2. Hasu‏ @hasufl Sep 6
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @ercwl and

          Would you consider yourself a PoW radical? (settle every dispute, incl. reorgs, in-protocol?) Because I sympathize heavily with that idea, but it's currently not very popular (as you can tell from the immediate mobilization to reject a Binance-led reorg)

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        3. Hasu‏ @hasufl Sep 6
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          Replying to @hasufl @NickSzabo4 and

          Though I guess at the end of the day these different approaches are all social, whether the users vote for their preferred chain-tip in-protocol via tx and tx fees or via manually rejecting certain blocks in their full node.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        1. Carlos R. Cerrato E.‏ @ccerrato147 Sep 6
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @hasufl and

          What are your thoughts on adding finality to the protocols? Is their any proposal that seems even slightly viable??

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        1. Cesar‏ @RealBitEstate Sep 6
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @hasufl and

          I will take #3.

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