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    1. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 5
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      Nick Szabo  🔑 Retweeted Whale Alert

      Such confidence in Bitcoin is splendid, but a 94,500 BTC tx tempts fate. If recipient can make that much from reversing the tx, they can afford to run a 51% attack for more than 40 days. Big if & very visible, but security here depends more on trust & less on the protocol itself.https://twitter.com/whale_alert/status/1169815776733220866 …

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      Whale Alert @whale_alert
      🚨 🚨 🚨 🚨 🚨 🚨 🚨 🚨 🚨 🚨 94,504 #BTC (1,018,147,922 USD) transferred from unknown wallet to unknown wallet Tx: https://whale-alert.io/transaction/bitcoin/4410c8d14ff9f87ceeed1d65cb58e7c7b2422b2d7529afc675208ce2ce09ed7d …
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    2. Owen Gwilliam [Jan 3/ 🔑]‏ @owengwilliam Sep 5
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4

      That’s comparing the cost of the re-org to the value of the transaction, without considering the crash in price that would occur if such a reorg took place, due to loss of confidence in BTC, or due to them market selling such huge quantity immediately after the reorg.

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 6
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      Replying to @owengwilliam

      If attacker exchanged the later-reversed BTC for something non-BTC of same value, & incurred no external costs (e.g. law enforcement) -- a big if, but the trust minimizing assumption -- price must tank 100% before attacker could double-spend, else still has some profit.

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        2. Dave Bradley‏ @BitcoinBrains Sep 6
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @owengwilliam

          Are there any non-btc transactions of this size which cannot be reversed at least as easily as the attack you describe? Is that even possible? Maybe a very large black market art or drug deal? Or and exchange of gold between nation states?

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        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 6
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          Replying to @BitcoinBrains @owengwilliam

          We should strongly discourage making Bitcoin security dependent on speculations about reversing any of myriad of possible things externally, e.g. the costs of reversing another crytocurrency blockchain (probably a Bitcoin competitor) in a crypto-for-crypto exchange.

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        4. R.‏ @rodtorresgarzon Sep 6
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @BitcoinBrains @owengwilliam

          https://www.crypto51.app/ 

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        1. Owen Gwilliam [Jan 3/ 🔑]‏ @owengwilliam Sep 6
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4

          Thanks for the reply Nick. Yes, I think I see. So the number of confirmations required for settlement should correlate with tx value, and when considering the attack vector, we should assume a large asset purchase, or for that matter an OTC sale at predetermined price.

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        1. General Measures‏ @GenMeasures Sep 6
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @owengwilliam

          Can I ask what legal recourse anyone would possibly have against somebody reorging their transactions?

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        1. bharathrao‏ @bharathrao Sep 7
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @owengwilliam

          The larger the payment, the more secure it is against double spends due to the cost and difficulty of arranging hashpower, right?

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        1. Lightning G [ ⚡️ 🦒]‏ @Cjl721 Sep 6
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @owengwilliam

          Correct, but your calculation of 40 days changes.

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        1. Savio‏ @_hauntology_ Sep 6
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @owengwilliam

          It's probably not very easy to double spend 94,500 BTC at a 1 billion valuation. If sent a confirmation later, the receiver of that transaction could become aware that it is a double spend and which one will be the real one is still indeterminate. Both would have to wait 50 days.

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