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    Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 4
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    "Many countries manipulate the value of their currency or use some form of capital control...Bitcoin [prices] can be used to detect [this]...This result also [verifies] that Bitcoin is used to circumvent capital controls and manipulated exchange rates. " https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2714921 …

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      2. Ryan Calder‏ @_RyanCalder Sep 4
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        I'd love to see a follow up by Baek and Elbeck at @TROYUspirit too! "We report strong evidence to suggest that Bitcoin volatility is internally (buyer and seller) driven leading to the conclusion that the Bitcoin market is highly speculative at present"https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504851.2014.916379 …

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      3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 4
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        Replying to @_RyanCalder @TROYUspirit

        Government capital control and exchange rate manipulation behavior is unpredictable and spiky, so responses to that can also be expected to create volatility.

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      4. Satoshi Disciple‏ @SatoshiChela Sep 4
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        Volatility also comes because 21mn BTCs eventually will equal multi-trillion USDs ! At this time, whenever anyone with few million USDs to spare figures out it, cause price spike and when he/she is done buying, sellers can easily overwhelm the market for short term before the 1/

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      5. Satoshi Disciple‏ @SatoshiChela Sep 4
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        next large buyer steps in. Ideally, if everyone starts realizing the potential of Bitcoin when they come to know of it, everyone will HODL atleast for few years! Only sellers will be those in mining business! And they will see continuously increasing price and demand. /fin

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      2. Daniel Romero‏ @DRomATX Sep 4
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        Better yet, can bitcoin be used to capitalize on this?

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      3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Sep 4
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        Replying to @DRomATX

        That's what the above study implies, that it is being used to do so.

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      2. Pascal Caversaccio‏ @pcaversaccio Sep 4
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        I partially agree since #Bitcoin prices have also been subject to #manipulation and therefore the causality of detecting these manipulations could be wrong.

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      3. G.C. Pieters, PhD‏ @ProfPieters Sep 5
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        Replying to @pcaversaccio @NickSzabo4

        That was a major concern when I wrote the paper, and is one reason why I restricted it to only data sources where I could get all the data I need: mix-&-match data, especially when there can be exchange-specific manipulation (which is rampant) leads to problems in detection.

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      4. Pascal Caversaccio‏ @pcaversaccio Sep 5
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        The problem I see here is that even if you have all the data of the major #BTC exchanges, manipulated data doesn't necessary average out (in case some/all of them have manipulation).

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      5. Pascal Caversaccio‏ @pcaversaccio Sep 5
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        Having a clean #Bitcoin time series is THE major challenge and actually an imperative for future #BTC derivatives.

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      6. G.C. Pieters, PhD‏ @ProfPieters Sep 5
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        Replying to @pcaversaccio @NickSzabo4

        Exactly, but as long as there is insufficient *within* exchange arbitrage you can normalize.

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      7. Pascal Caversaccio‏ @pcaversaccio Sep 5
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        Replying to @ProfPieters @NickSzabo4

        Sure, inter-exchange arbitrage is just a theoretical concept currently due to the spreads and the (massive) transaction costs.

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      8. G.C. Pieters, PhD‏ @ProfPieters Sep 5
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        Replying to @pcaversaccio @NickSzabo4

        I'm strictly referring to intra-exchange arbitrage. Inter-exchange arbitrage opportunities clearly exist.

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      9. Pascal Caversaccio‏ @pcaversaccio Sep 5
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        They exist but are mostly not exploited in reality - that's what I have seen so far.

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      1. みけやん‏ @ohisama0101 Sep 9
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        i am excited to see the possibility of crypto. not sure that crypto can detect the manipulation now. but for sure that it will.

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      1. Malthus John‏ @MalthusJohn Sep 5
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        Good to see this kind of work published, and a good start. They don't/didn't solely use BTC of course, so the rest of the story needs telling too.

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      1. rudvic‏ @rudvicjones Sep 6
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        Many Whales manipulate the value of Bitcoin......

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