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Blockchain, cryptocurrency, and smart contracts pioneer. (RT/Fav/Follow does not imply endorsement). Blog: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com 

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    1. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 28
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      Has any bubble in economic history ever sustained such a high risk-adjusted return for such a long period? To any economist who generally believes market signals this cries out for a fundamental explanation. http://charts.woobull.com/bitcoin-risk-adjusted-return/ …pic.twitter.com/UJSjKadSqh

      25 replies 221 retweets 664 likes
    2. Vijay Boyapati‏ @real_vijay Aug 29
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      Vijay Boyapati Retweeted Vijay Boyapati

      https://twitter.com/real_vijay/status/999068870869635073?s=19 …

      Vijay Boyapati added,

      Vijay Boyapati @real_vijay
      Don't trust anyone who says Bitcoin is going to zero if they can't articulate a coherent economic explanation for why it has been non-zero for almost a decade.
      1 reply 1 retweet 42 likes
    3. dstadulis‏ @dstadulis Aug 29
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      Replying to @real_vijay @NickSzabo4

      Ability to articulate an argument is ancillary. True test of price forecasters is if they survive/profit over the long term acting on their predictions. If a debate arose between heliocentric and "geocentric" astronautical engineer, just see who creates a functional satellite.

      1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
    4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 29
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      Replying to @dstadulis @real_vijay

      I'm respectful of economists if they've even bothered to research Bitcoin's market signal in the past tense: supply, demand, the normal things economists are supposed to research when they see a strong market signal.

      1 reply 3 retweets 35 likes
    5. Vijay Boyapati‏ @real_vijay Aug 29
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @dstadulis

      Vijay Boyapati Retweeted Vijay Boyapati

      Exactly. I've been particularly disappointed in modern Austrian economic scholars who had the tools to understand the emergence of #Bitcoin yet missed the most important monetary innovation in a thousand years (exceptions are you, Saif and Konrad Graf)https://twitter.com/real_vijay/status/1032509406196379648?s=19 …

      Vijay Boyapati added,

      Vijay Boyapati @real_vijay
      3/ The modern Austrian school inherited the mantle of "hard money" economics from the School of Salamanca and one might have imagined that Austrian economists would have been the first to anticipate and understand the emergence of #Bitcoin. Alas, it was not so. Why?
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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 29
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      Replying to @real_vijay @dstadulis

      Early understanding of the value of Bitcoin involved a very rare combination of certain advanced parts of computer science with nondogmatic knowledge of deep monetary history. No surprise this combination was and is scarce in our age of hyperspecialists and ideologues.

      9:13 AM - 29 Aug 2019
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      • Jesús Collado Nick C lastcoinstanding ฿rez Johan Dr. CrytoKautzel - KasusKaktusAccumulationInc. Solomon Kane Flightcrew 🇺🇸 Andrew Poulson
      8 replies 68 retweets 252 likes
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        2. Vijay Boyapati‏ @real_vijay Aug 29
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @dstadulis

          Vijay Boyapati Retweeted Vijay Boyapati

          Reminds me of this classic passage of yourshttps://twitter.com/real_vijay/status/1160054756649271297?s=19 …

          Vijay Boyapati added,

          Vijay Boyapati @real_vijay
          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @mhartl and 4 others
          One of my favourite passages of yours: pic.twitter.com/q5ak8M9QAs
          2 replies 1 retweet 32 likes
        3. AgoristView  ⚡️‏ @AgoristView Aug 29
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          @SallyMayweather 👆

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        4. Sal the Agorist‏ @SallyMayweather Aug 29
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          Replying to @AgoristView @real_vijay and

          I’ve read Shelling Out but I don’t remember hearing a rebuttal of regression theorem (is that where the link goes?). Regardless, the use-value requirement is well established and necessary to avoid infinite regress.

          4 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 29
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          Replying to @SallyMayweather @AgoristView and

          Wrong. This is dogma gone amok. This is why dogmatists can never understand money or Bitcoin. It's like insisting that an insurance contract must be useful as something else, maybe for wiping your butt, before it can be useful as an insurance contract. It's idiotic.

          1 reply 2 retweets 59 likes
        6. Sal the Agorist‏ @SallyMayweather Aug 29
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @AgoristView and

          To explain prices today, we point to prices yesterday and so on, in infinite fashion until we reach non-monetary value in a direct exchange economy.pic.twitter.com/cK2L6fGdXj

          4 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
        7. Vijay Boyapati‏ @real_vijay Aug 29
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          Replying to @SallyMayweather @NickSzabo4 and

          The original exchange value can be for any reason and is not at all important. If the first person who accepted the good did so purely on a whimsy, it establishes an original value. The obsession that this usage must necessarily be a commodity usage was Rothbard's error.

          4 replies 2 retweets 34 likes
        8. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 29
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          Replying to @real_vijay @SallyMayweather and

          Also, and especially now in our world full of expertise, people have brains and foresight and can actually think about and design things to be good as money.

          2 replies 0 retweets 16 likes
        9. Crypto Voices‏ @crypto_voices Sep 2
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @real_vijay and

          Crypto Voices Retweeted Crypto Voices

          Also, Laura & Walter did a fairly good job parsing through these points years ago, how the theorem doesn’t apply to bitcoin: https://twitter.com/crypto_voices/status/1134807882757758977?s=21 … (And... personally agree the dogma isn’t helpful).

          Crypto Voices added,

          Crypto Voices @crypto_voices
          Come have a listen to an insightful interview with economists Laura Davidson and @WalterEBlock (inactive account) on #Bitcoin and @mises’s famous regression theorem: https://soundcloud.com/cryptovoices/show-73-laura-davidson-walter-block-bitcoin-mises-regression-theorem/s-0c5mI … @fernandoulrich
          0 replies 2 retweets 1 like
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        2. JW Weatherman | mathbot.com‏ @JWWeatherman_ Aug 29
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @real_vijay @dstadulis

          I agree. But we are rapidly approaching, maybe have already past, the point where monetary economists can be forgiven for ignoring bitcoin. Your above makes it clear that without understanding the tech the price history alone suggests something important is happening.

          2 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 29
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          Replying to @JWWeatherman_ @real_vijay @dstadulis

          Yes. The strong market signal itself tells you that something important is very likely going on. But to go further and understand the value you have to among other things understand the tech. That, and the central bank ideology that is macroeconomics, are chief stumbling blocks.

          1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
        4. JW Weatherman | mathbot.com‏ @JWWeatherman_ Aug 29
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          I think it would be respectable if they said, “I don’t know enough about computer science to know if this can scale, remain secure, etc, but if I assume that I would expect it to be adopted as money.” Or if they had honest objections. But I’ve yet to see even that. Lots o liars.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        5. James Sutherland‏ @jwsuth Aug 29
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          Replying to @JWWeatherman_ @NickSzabo4 and

          When people who dont get it despite prolonged exposure it always seems to be because it challenges their worldview - tech objections usually a facade. E.g. Austrians have a hard baked interpretation of the regression theorem, Keynesians obsessed with aggregate demand & inflation

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        2. Ragnar Lifthrasir  🏴  🏛️‏ @Ragnarly Aug 29
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @real_vijay @dstadulis

          When you first read about Bitcoin, did you immediately think that it would work and succeed? Or what were you skeptical of, and what made you change your mind?

          3 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
        3. Vijay Boyapati‏ @real_vijay Aug 29
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          Replying to @Ragnarly @NickSzabo4 @dstadulis

          http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2011/05/bitcoin-what-took-ye-so-long.html?m=1 …

          1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
        4. Gabridome your 🔑 🔑, your ₿₿‏ @Gabridome Aug 30
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          Replying to @real_vijay @Ragnarly and

          The idea of translating it in Italian is intriguing.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. MIR‏ @mir_btc Aug 30
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          Replying to @Gabridome @real_vijay and

          I can add it to my list of n articles I want to translate in Italian 😁

          0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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