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    Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 29
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    The major currencies already are digital, and have been for decades. The remaining paper money is akin to a higher layer of the protocol stack. But they aren't trust-minimized. And they have no plans to be trust-minimized. That is what makes Bitcoin far superior.https://twitter.com/erlbacher72/status/1167086523315052544 …

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    Someone address the planned creation of“central bank digital currencies” and eventual ease in the ability to control on-ramps into Bitcoin. $btc @NickSzabo4 Might they be too late to the game?
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      2. The Bitcoin Observer‏ @festina_lente_2 Aug 29
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        I think there's a big difference between a digital asset (bitcoin) and the digital representation of physical asset (US federal reserve notes, "dollars"). The first derives its "utility" and scarcity solely from the digital world, the second does not. Does this make sense?

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      3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 29
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        No. The basics are the difference between the two settlement protocols (Bitcoin vs. Fedwire, the latter censorable, the former not, the former globally seamless, the latter not) and monetary issuance (again with Bitcoin trust-minimized, vs. for dollar controlled by bankers).

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      4. Ciarán Murray‏ @C1aranMurray Aug 29
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        I would argue that Bitcoin issuance is controlled by a relatively small group as well. Core devs and exchanges have outsized power.

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      5. Ben Prentice‏ @mrcoolbp Aug 29
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        Replying to @C1aranMurray @NickSzabo4 @festina_lente_2

        Nope, this is BS, node owners control issuance, and they are incentivized to never change it (if they assumedly hodl).

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      6. Ben Prentice‏ @mrcoolbp Aug 29
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        Replying to @mrcoolbp @C1aranMurray and

        This article might help you understand that Bitcoin is an in inpenetratable fortress of validation:https://hackernoon.com/bitcoin-miners-beware-invalid-blocks-need-not-apply-51c293ee278b …

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      7. Ben Prentice‏ @mrcoolbp Aug 29
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        Replying to @mrcoolbp @C1aranMurray and

        Inb4 "Core controls Bitcoin!!!1!12!!" I'd also recommend perusing this classic:https://medium.com/@pierre_rochard/bitcoin-governance-37e86299470f …

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      2. Nolan Shah‏ @nolanshah Aug 29
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        We don't live in a trustless world. Trusting the system that backs Bitcoin is equivalent to trusting the system that backs the USD.

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      3. Tatunga‏ @chicano_uturn Aug 29
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        One is decentralized and stored on an immutable ledger based on cryptography while the other is centralized and protected by government. I don't think those are equivalent

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      4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 29
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        Replying to @chicano_uturn @nolanshah

        Correct, and these pseudo-cryptocurrency plans don't change these fundamental distinctions in the trust model.

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      2. s‏ @erlbacher72 Aug 29
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        What about control of on/off-ramps? I can see China controlling this activity.

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      3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 29
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        Replying to @erlbacher72

        What about it?

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      4. s‏ @erlbacher72 Aug 29
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        Not spreading FUD, as I am hopeful in BTC domination, however they will not stand idle. If the goal is SOV, value must be able to transfer. Uses cases beyond that are pointless without transfer. The CCP will have total control-other central banks will follow.

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      5. ₿TC ₿atman [Global FOMOIŁ! ⚡]‏ @TheBTCBatman Aug 30
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        Replying to @erlbacher72 @NickSzabo4

        This is why it's important to also run and support decentralized ramps like @bisq_network

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      2. jagdeep sidhu‏ @realSidhuJag Aug 29
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        I think its a stage of evolution in learning that decentralized money is the only way to go. First they hate/try to ban, then they understand and want their own, and then they realize it wont work and see the only thing that does work.

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      1. 0110100001101001‏ @AmazonMotoring Aug 29
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        Nick, have you ever read up on how much of that higher layer is used in the economy world wide. A switch to simply using fiat tokens or digital only in any form, imo would be welcoming in a global crisis on the most human level.

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      1. BobbyGiggz‏ @BobbyGiggz Aug 29
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        #digitalcurrency the difference is in custody. With bitcoin you custody your own funds. Everything else requires a third party. The benefit is removing a third party and interfacing directly with the issuing source. We are #one with the source.

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      1. Kane McGukin‏ @kanemcgukin Aug 30
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        That’s a great point many miss. If you live in a developmed world the need for another payment mechanism doesn’t offer much value and isn’t really cheaper or faster. One day possibly but the benefits are much greater than payment or currency.

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