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    Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 28
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    Has any bubble in economic history ever sustained such a high risk-adjusted return for such a long period? To any economist who generally believes market signals this cries out for a fundamental explanation. http://charts.woobull.com/bitcoin-risk-adjusted-return/ …pic.twitter.com/UJSjKadSqh

    9:10 PM - 28 Aug 2019
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      2. Vijay Boyapati‏ @real_vijay Aug 29
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        Vijay Boyapati Retweeted Vijay Boyapati

        https://twitter.com/real_vijay/status/999068870869635073?s=19 …

        Vijay Boyapati added,

        Vijay Boyapati @real_vijay
        Don't trust anyone who says Bitcoin is going to zero if they can't articulate a coherent economic explanation for why it has been non-zero for almost a decade.
        1 reply 1 retweet 42 likes
      3. dstadulis‏ @dstadulis Aug 29
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        Replying to @real_vijay @NickSzabo4

        Ability to articulate an argument is ancillary. True test of price forecasters is if they survive/profit over the long term acting on their predictions. If a debate arose between heliocentric and "geocentric" astronautical engineer, just see who creates a functional satellite.

        1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
      4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 29
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        Replying to @dstadulis @real_vijay

        I'm respectful of economists if they've even bothered to research Bitcoin's market signal in the past tense: supply, demand, the normal things economists are supposed to research when they see a strong market signal.

        1 reply 3 retweets 35 likes
      5. Vijay Boyapati‏ @real_vijay Aug 29
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4 @dstadulis

        Vijay Boyapati Retweeted Vijay Boyapati

        Exactly. I've been particularly disappointed in modern Austrian economic scholars who had the tools to understand the emergence of #Bitcoin yet missed the most important monetary innovation in a thousand years (exceptions are you, Saif and Konrad Graf)https://twitter.com/real_vijay/status/1032509406196379648?s=19 …

        Vijay Boyapati added,

        Vijay Boyapati @real_vijay
        3/ The modern Austrian school inherited the mantle of "hard money" economics from the School of Salamanca and one might have imagined that Austrian economists would have been the first to anticipate and understand the emergence of #Bitcoin. Alas, it was not so. Why?
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        9 replies 4 retweets 51 likes
      6. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 29
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        Replying to @real_vijay @dstadulis

        Early understanding of the value of Bitcoin involved a very rare combination of certain advanced parts of computer science with nondogmatic knowledge of deep monetary history. No surprise this combination was and is scarce in our age of hyperspecialists and ideologues.

        8 replies 68 retweets 252 likes
      7. Vijay Boyapati‏ @real_vijay Aug 29
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4 @dstadulis

        Vijay Boyapati Retweeted Vijay Boyapati

        Reminds me of this classic passage of yourshttps://twitter.com/real_vijay/status/1160054756649271297?s=19 …

        Vijay Boyapati added,

        Vijay Boyapati @real_vijay
        Replying to @NickSzabo4 @mhartl and 4 others
        One of my favourite passages of yours: pic.twitter.com/q5ak8M9QAs
        2 replies 1 retweet 32 likes
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      2. BitNote‏ @Rafish1 Aug 28
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        Agreed. It cries out for one but it won't get one. Cowardly mob!

        1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
      3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 28
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        Replying to @Rafish1

        I have one. Have tweeted about it a lot. Saf and many Bitcoin investors have some. But of the many other professional or professorial economists I've seen talking about Bitcoin, even lame attempts at a fundamental explanation of this strong market signal seem few and far between.

        9 replies 6 retweets 123 likes
      4. Vittorio Iosue‏ @vaiosue Aug 29
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4 @saifedean @Rafish1

        I think the problem is that most economists are trained in modern theoretical models and almost absolutely zero economic history. I think most modern economists would profit greatly from reading “Money and Man” by Elgin Groseclose.

        3 replies 0 retweets 15 likes
      5. xcsler_returns ₿‏ @xcsler Aug 29
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        Replying to @vaiosue @NickSzabo4 and

        I think most economists are technocrats who view money as a tool to be used to manipulate the economy and can't fathom that both money and the economy can function without their guidance.

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      6. Vittorio Iosue‏ @vaiosue Aug 29
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        Replying to @xcsler @NickSzabo4 and

        Indeed. They have a mechanistic view of the economy. Not an organic view. They see monetary policy as a lever that can be pulled/adjusted to reach definite outcomes.

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
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      2. CryptoCurious‏ @EloiseC1988 Aug 29
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        The study is a bit skewed. You can't compare apples with oranges...The markets you are comparing bitcoin with have decades of history.... I would suggest to wait 20 years before making these types of comparison....

        1 reply 2 retweets 4 likes
      3. CryptoCurious‏ @EloiseC1988 Aug 29
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        Replying to @EloiseC1988 @NickSzabo4

        #Exponential #growth cannot be sustained for decades and your line will most likely over time get closer to the average of the other markets you are displaying on your chart.

        3 replies 2 retweets 3 likes
      4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 29
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        Replying to @EloiseC1988

        No doubt. Both return & volatility are likely to decline in tandem. But main point of the tweet is that when normal economists see such a strong market signal, their presumption is to assume it reflects genuine supply and demand, and to work on research to find what those are.

        1 reply 1 retweet 11 likes
      5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 29
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4 @EloiseC1988

        In other words, my tweet is focused on past tense explanation for a strong market signal that has already happened, not future tense prediction.

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      6. CryptoCurious‏ @EloiseC1988 Aug 29
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        In those terms, I agree.

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