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    Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 17
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    Shallow safety vs. deep safety: Shallow: estimated from volatility, assumes nothing goes wrong at lower layers of the protocol stack Deep: what happens to your assets upon underlying failures? e.g. how would your digitally centralized assets fare against sanctions or cyberwar?

    8:08 AM - 17 Aug 2019
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      2. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 17
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        Digitally centralized assets have poor deep safety. They were designed in & only work in a legally stable environment. Real estate & gold have deeper safety, assuming strong local security. Trust-minimized Bitcoin uses computer science to achieve unprecedentedly deep safety.

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      3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 17
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        Digital centralization has made it possible, for the first time in history, for authorities to routinely extract haircuts and "negative interest". Some countries in Europe have already used these techniques against digitally centralized cash balances.

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      4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 17
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        At the behest of political activists, digitally centralized financial services have frozen accounts and cut off access to a wide variety of people based on their political views.

        4 replies 27 retweets 195 likes
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      5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 17
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        In a deep or prolonged recession, attacks by technocratic authorities & political activists against digitally centralized assets will increase in volume & scope. Other forms of political or legal instability could also lower the safety of digitally centralized assets.

        10 replies 43 retweets 244 likes
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      6. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 17
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        One can think of shallow safety as the technical analysis of safety based on technical factors such as price volatility. Deep safety is a fundamental analysis of the underlying technological, political, and legal environments which actually control the assets.

        9 replies 26 retweets 179 likes
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      7. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 25
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        Deep safety varies greatly between different people & organizations. Risks to digitally centralized property vary greatly between different people & organizations & their different political & legal environments. Price movements don't tell you much about your particular safety.

        5 replies 5 retweets 35 likes
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      1. Block DX‏ @BlockDXExchange Aug 26
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        Block DX Retweeted Nick Szabo  🔑

        A #fullydecentralized exchange provides #deepsafety ➖ no risk of losing funds due to a 51% attack or network failure #interoperabilityplatforms provide #shallowsafety ➖ the networks control users’ 🔑s and are vulnerable to #deepsafety threatshttps://twitter.com/nickszabo4/status/1162743096821469184?s=21 …

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        Nick Szabo  🔑 @NickSzabo4
        Shallow safety vs. deep safety: Shallow: estimated from volatility, assumes nothing goes wrong at lower layers of the protocol stack Deep: what happens to your assets upon underlying failures? e.g. how would your digitally centralized assets fare against sanctions or cyberwar?
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      1. Erik Cason‏ @Erikcason Aug 17
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        I believe Schmitt’s essay The Tyanny of Values has an excellent answer to this question. As the topology of war itself becomes more digitized, cryptography postulates itself as a radical tool for deep safety in a world where law itself can no longer guarantee such things.

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      2. Mike Leonard‏ @Realmikeleonard Aug 17
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        This is the type of content I’m here for! 👌

        1 reply 0 retweets 14 likes
      3. Taylor Stuchbery (我就是好男人, 好男人就是我)‏ @Tstuch1 Aug 17
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        Replying to @Realmikeleonard @NickSzabo4

        Me too!

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      2. harryr33‏ @harryr33 Aug 26
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        What if quantum computing becomes a thing and can break any crypto? Could BTC still exist?

        4 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Mochimo Dev‏ @mochimocrypto Aug 27
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        Quantum computers are already a thing. They will be able to break RSA/ECDSA style digital signature algorithms in a few short years. That's why we built Mochimo. Incidentally, you don't have to break a lot of BTC addresses to set off a sell-off deathspiral for BTC. Just one.

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      1. Rory‏ @roryhighside Aug 17
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        Most crypto pepple assume deep safety from shallow safety assets, because Bitcoin. Sold a lie based on the unflinching characteristics of Bitcoin, and assume that “blockchain” is the reason it holds true to other assets.pic.twitter.com/IhHXHd5ATc

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      1. WizardofAus  🇦🇺 ⚡ 🌮‏ @BTCSchellingPt Aug 17
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        Bang on. The depth of safety in #bitcoin requires (worthwhile) effort to peel back and understand; to those skimming pebbles on the surface the ponds look the same.. but are most definitely not.

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      1. Dan Talmon‏ @dan_talmon Aug 17
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        Implied also deep conceptual gap between High & Low time preferences "Still waters run deep"

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      2. Franco‏ @frk0196 Aug 17
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        @threadreaderapp unroll

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      3. Thread Reader App‏ @threadreaderapp Aug 17
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        Bonjour the unroll you asked for: Thread by @NickSzabo4: "Shallow safety vs. deep safety: Shallow: estimated from volatility, assumes nothing goes wrong at lower layers of the pr […]" https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1162743096821469184.html … Share this if you think it's interesting. 🤖

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      1. Anthony Elia #stackingsats  ⚡️‏ @huobi Aug 20
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        Anthony Elia #stackingsats  ⚡️ Retweeted Anthony Elia #stackingsats  ⚡️

        Your digitally centralized assets would be easier to confiscate than gold was, thus increasing the temptation for people in power to do so. Essentially low hanging fruit for governments.https://twitter.com/huobi/status/1151210642969436160?s=21 …

        Anthony Elia #stackingsats  ⚡️ added,

        Anthony Elia #stackingsats  ⚡️ @huobi
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        True. However I think it may be even easier to confiscate than gold. Not everyone adheres to “not your keys, not your coins”. The value/bitcoins held by individual companies should be watched carefully
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      2. Satyajit‏ @satyajit_jadhav Aug 17
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        @readwiseio save thread

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      3. Readwise‏ @readwiseio Aug 17
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        Done! We've saved this whole thread to your Readwise library so that you can revisit/remember it 🧠📚

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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