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    1. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 14
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      It doesn't cost any more to store bits or paper in Europe now than it did when interest rates were positive. The "storage costs" metaphor as a justification for negative interest rates is a whopping falsehood.

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    2. Joe Weisenthal‏ @TheStalwart Aug 15
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      Dollars aren't bitcoin. It's not just bits on a bank's ledger. It's money the bank owes you, and the ability of the bank to pay you that money is constrained by the loans it can profitably make. If there's a limit to its profitable lending, there's a limit to what it can pay out.

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 15
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      In other words it is as I said, it doesn't have anything to do with the costs of storage, except that, to try to make deeper or longer NIRP work without squeezing banks, central banks need unprecedented laws to try to make the costs of holding physical alternatives higher.

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        2. Joe Weisenthal‏ @TheStalwart Aug 15
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          I'm skeptical that it's laws which stand in the way to holding physical alternatives, as opposed to the fact that there's a limit to how much cash you'd be willing to hold in your home due to security and convenience,

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        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 15
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          People's attitudes & security measures about paper money vary widely & can change dramatically depending on trust in banks. They will also have stronger incentives to switch to cryptocurrency, which with multisig is far more secure to hold than paper money.

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        4. Joe Weisenthal‏ @TheStalwart Aug 15
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          Sure, I get that, but what I'm saying is that it's not the law that's the major impediment. It's cost of security. Knowledge, training convenience and so forth.

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        5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 15
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          People have been using coins & paper money for thousands of years, despite the robbers, highwaymen, and pirates. Effective weapons and big lawns help, one of the reasons deep or long NIRP would require much more draconian laws in the U.S. than they do at least so far in Europe.

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        6. Joe Weisenthal‏ @TheStalwart Aug 15
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          Sure, and people still use that stuff, but I also think you can think of robbers, highwaymen and pirates as a form of negative rates. And if people started holding more cash, there would be more robbers, highwaymen and pirates, meaning deeper implied negative rates on cash.

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        7. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 15
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          So negative interest rates are a form of theft. Thank you for that admission.

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        8. Joe Weisenthal‏ @TheStalwart Aug 15
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          I'm not, personally, a fan of NIRP. I don't think it accomplishes what it sets out to do. But I don't think it's theft. And I don't think it's laws against holding physical currency (or metals or whatever) that explains why people don't opt to do that.

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        9. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 15
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          You just likened negative interest to several enumerated forms of theft. P.S. hundreds of millions of people opt for paper for various transactions. As NIRP spreads & deepens, as bank fees etc. climb, the number of people using paper and number of txs they use it for will grow.

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        1. Josh Crumb  🔸‏ @JoshCrumb Aug 15
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          Yes, they have think tanks dedicated to protecting their monopoly, especially as their product becomes increasingly illogical. They fear “money alternatives” because they can’t control them...don’t even shy away from using word “control” in papers despite ZERO democratic mandate

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