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Blockchain, cryptocurrency, and smart contracts pioneer. (RT/Fav/Follow does not imply endorsement). Blog: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com 

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    1. Chandra Duggirala‏ @csentropy Aug 4
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @saifedean and

      This problem will repeat, if bitcoin becomes a "reserve" currency held by central banks and IOUs issued by them circulate as money. The fate of bitcoin will be what happened to gold, which failed to keep the state from coopting and controlling it.

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    2. Ryan Calder‏ @_RyanCalder Aug 4
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      Replying to @csentropy @NickSzabo4 and

      Except you will always be able to use the Bitcoin blockchain and money while governments can not shadow control changes to the network.

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    3. Chandra Duggirala‏ @csentropy Aug 4
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      Replying to @_RyanCalder @NickSzabo4 and

      Nope. Not if governments become the dominant economic nodes on the networkhttps://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Reserve-Currency-Fallacy …

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    4. Ryan Calder‏ @_RyanCalder Aug 4
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      Replying to @csentropy @NickSzabo4 and

      I fully understand and thank you for providing material... I have been marinating with concern in your exact point for the last week and need to learn more about this ASAP. Great meeting you 👊

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    5. Chandra Duggirala‏ @csentropy Aug 4
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      Replying to @_RyanCalder @NickSzabo4 and

      You’re welcome. Credit goes to @evoskuil for articulating this

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    6. Dan Plante‏ @Daniel_Plante Aug 4
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      Replying to @csentropy @_RyanCalder and

      Interesting. I agree, Bitcoin can't be used in any arbitrarily large amount as a backing asset. "Layering preserves the cryptodynamic principles of decentralization, while "backing" is full abandonment of them." Have you considered the PoV that Lightning is a derivative?

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    7. Eric Voskuil‏ @evoskuil Aug 4
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      Replying to @Daniel_Plante @csentropy and

      It’s a money-certificate. Bitcoin or its money-certificates will back credit, but with no cryptographic assurances. Those must be abandoned in productive lending.

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    8. Dan Plante‏ @Daniel_Plante Aug 4
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      Replying to @evoskuil @csentropy and

      My point is that Lightning has programatic assurances. With $GLD, you can try to stand for delivery of the underlying asset. Good luck. With Lightning, the holder can unilaterally force settlement to the underlying asset (Bitcoin) whenever they wish. The network enforces this.

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    9. Eric Voskuil‏ @evoskuil Aug 4
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      Replying to @Daniel_Plante @csentropy and

      https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Risk-Free-Return-Fallacy …

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    10. Eric Voskuil‏ @evoskuil Aug 4
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      Replying to @evoskuil @Daniel_Plante and

      LN does not cryptographically assure settlement, or that it is not cost prohibitive. Nevertheless, for the money to be *productive* it must be lent to production (invested). There are no cryptographic guarantees in productive lending, despite futile attempts (see link above).

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 4
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      Replying to @evoskuil @Daniel_Plante and

      Nick Szabo  🔑 Retweeted Nick Szabo  🔑

      There are no guarantees, but there are potential ways to substantially reduce vulnerability, for examplehttps://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/1145094116121837568 …

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      Nick Szabo  🔑 @NickSzabo4
      Proplets: devices for controlling equipment from a blockchain-based title registry, as smart property: http://fon.hum.uva.nl/rob/Courses/InformationInSpeech/CDROM/Literature/LOTwinterschool2006/szabo.best.vwh.net/proplets.html … pic.twitter.com/9uQWtjWcwu
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        2. Eric Voskuil‏ @evoskuil Aug 4
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Daniel_Plante and

          Now that would be a monumental invention - a guarantee of return on investment.

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        3. Eric Voskuil‏ @evoskuil Aug 4
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          Replying to @evoskuil @NickSzabo4 and

          What investment risk (vulnerability) does the diagram suggest is reduced?

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        4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 4
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          Replying to @evoskuil @Daniel_Plante and

          Proplet-controlled equipment could be used as collateral for loans with substantially less trust/vulnerability and repo costs than exist today.

          1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
        5. Eric Voskuil‏ @evoskuil Aug 4
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Daniel_Plante and

          A fully-collateralized loan is not a productive loan. It's a trade of property for a period of time, and then a trade back. Only the uncollateralized portion can be considered productive. It's an example of the risk-free return fallacy.https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Risk-Free-Return-Fallacy …

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        6. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 4
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          Replying to @evoskuil @Daniel_Plante and

          Trillions of dollars worth of collateralized loans are made every year: mortgages, ship loans, car loans, airplanes, etc. Both sides of each of these apparently think it is productive.

          3 replies 0 retweets 22 likes
        7. Eric Voskuil‏ @evoskuil Aug 4
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Daniel_Plante and

          You are using a colloquial definition for productivity. Production requires capital that can be spent. Where do you get the capital to collateralize your debt?

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        8. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 4
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          Replying to @evoskuil @Daniel_Plante and

          Collateralized loans are quite often used to fund capital investments in plant, equipment, real estate, etc. I don't know what planet you are living on or what language you are talking in, but until you want to start making sense, muted.

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        9. Eric Voskuil‏ @evoskuil Aug 4
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Daniel_Plante and

          This is the problem with empirical economics. Observation leads one to false conclusions. If a company that raises investment and uses that money to collateralize a loan, that money is entirely non-productive. All interest earned is offset by that paid.

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