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Blockchain, cryptocurrency, and smart contracts pioneer. (RT/Fav/Follow does not imply endorsement). Blog: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com 

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    1. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      cc: @danheld @100trillionUSD @BitcoinErrorLog @APompliano @lopp @udiWertheimer @saifedean @SatoshiLite @aantonop among others. Respect your thoughts in the space and would love to hear you opine on what seems to be a continuous debate on irrelevant points.

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    2. Ryan Calder‏ @_RyanCalder Aug 2
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      Replying to @ArcaChemist @danheld and

      I'd love to hear @CaitlinLong_ @TraceMayer @CathieDWood @AriannaSimpson @NickSzabo4 @eric_lombrozo @adam3us @DHannum8 too if possible

      2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
    3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 2
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      Replying to @_RyanCalder @ArcaChemist and

      Layer 1 is a settlement layer, its trust minimization akin to gold but able to be settled online. Layer 2 is retail cash (among other applications). This falls out of the computer science and trust minimization being the essential top priority for a seamlessly global currency.

      18 replies 98 retweets 415 likes
    4. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @_RyanCalder and

      Appreciate the feedback. Would you agree that the terminology discrepancy between money/cash/currency is not what should be focused on in the first place? Seems that the basis of the argument back in the day when BCH split was that Bitcoin wasn't fulfilling the "cash" aspect.

      4 replies 0 retweets 16 likes
    5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 2
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      Replying to @ArcaChemist @_RyanCalder and

      Yes, those are very broad and overlapping terms.

      3 replies 0 retweets 29 likes
    6. Dan Plante‏ @Daniel_Plante Aug 3
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @ArcaChemist and

      This is what I have found to be the best distinction between those terms. Even academic sources and dictionaries contradict each other on this and confuse the issue. Start at 4:01 and watch for 37 seconds:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyV0OfU3-FU&t=242s …

      1 reply 1 retweet 6 likes
    7. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Aug 4
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      Replying to @Daniel_Plante @NickSzabo4 and

      interesting. so money is a store of value, medium of exchange & unit of account; where currency is forms of money in circulation: promissory notes which became fiat currency and no longer a store of value, since the removal of monetary backing. gold is money, fiat is currency.

      5 replies 4 retweets 46 likes
    8. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 4
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      Replying to @tonklaus @adam3us and

      Gold maximalism. Only dominant for a short period of time. For most of the history of the metallic metals (gold, silver, copper), from Mesopotamian tablets to still many parts of the world in the 19th century, they were all considered money.

      1 reply 4 retweets 37 likes
    9. Saifedean Ammous‏ @saifedean Aug 4
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @tonklaus and

      Yes, from 1871 to 1914 to be exact. A short period of time, but an incredible period, too!

      4 replies 2 retweets 34 likes
      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 4
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      Replying to @saifedean @tonklaus and

      It was a period where the gold mostly sat in bank vaults and people used trust-based IOUs. Which trust was later abused to turn those IOUs into fiat. Meh.

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        2. Saifedean Ammous‏ @saifedean Aug 4
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @tonklaus and

          Easy to knock it now that we have bitcoin, but before 2009 nothing could even come close to it!

          1 reply 1 retweet 34 likes
        3. Ryan Calder‏ @_RyanCalder Aug 4
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          Replying to @saifedean @NickSzabo4 and

          *Knocking a trustbased IOU system not the Gold based economy.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 4
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          Replying to @_RyanCalder @saifedean and

          Morgan's statement can be translated as "I hold the actual money, the slobs who use my banks only have paper."

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        2. Chandra Duggirala‏ @csentropy Aug 4
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @saifedean and

          This problem will repeat, if bitcoin becomes a "reserve" currency held by central banks and IOUs issued by them circulate as money. The fate of bitcoin will be what happened to gold, which failed to keep the state from coopting and controlling it.

          1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
        3. Ryan Calder‏ @_RyanCalder Aug 4
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          Replying to @csentropy @NickSzabo4 and

          Except you will always be able to use the Bitcoin blockchain and money while governments can not shadow control changes to the network.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Chandra Duggirala‏ @csentropy Aug 4
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          Replying to @_RyanCalder @NickSzabo4 and

          Nope. Not if governments become the dominant economic nodes on the networkhttps://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Reserve-Currency-Fallacy …

          1 reply 1 retweet 6 likes
        5. Ryan Calder‏ @_RyanCalder Aug 4
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          Replying to @csentropy @NickSzabo4 and

          I fully understand and thank you for providing material... I have been marinating with concern in your exact point for the last week and need to learn more about this ASAP. Great meeting you 👊

          1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
        6. Chandra Duggirala‏ @csentropy Aug 4
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          Replying to @_RyanCalder @NickSzabo4 and

          You’re welcome. Credit goes to @evoskuil for articulating this

          1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
        7. Dan Plante‏ @Daniel_Plante Aug 4
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          Replying to @csentropy @_RyanCalder and

          Interesting. I agree, Bitcoin can't be used in any arbitrarily large amount as a backing asset. "Layering preserves the cryptodynamic principles of decentralization, while "backing" is full abandonment of them." Have you considered the PoV that Lightning is a derivative?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Eric Voskuil‏ @evoskuil Aug 4
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          Replying to @Daniel_Plante @csentropy and

          It’s a money-certificate. Bitcoin or its money-certificates will back credit, but with no cryptographic assurances. Those must be abandoned in productive lending.

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
        9. Dan Plante‏ @Daniel_Plante Aug 4
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          Replying to @evoskuil @csentropy and

          My point is that Lightning has programatic assurances. With $GLD, you can try to stand for delivery of the underlying asset. Good luck. With Lightning, the holder can unilaterally force settlement to the underlying asset (Bitcoin) whenever they wish. The network enforces this.

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        2. Noticer  🇪🇸 🇸🇾‏ @SoylessMed Aug 4
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @saifedean and

          I can see this being EXACTLY what's going to happen with bitcoin. (because of convoluted storage and safe keeping?) Cycles repeat.

          3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 4
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          Replying to @SoylessMed @saifedean and

          Thus the importance of full nodes (validate money for yourself, don't outsource it) and "not your keys, not your Bitcoin".

          3 replies 9 retweets 47 likes
        4. Dan Plante‏ @Daniel_Plante Aug 4
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @SoylessMed and

          I think people will be as motivated to learn self sovereignty, as future circumstances force them to be. When things get bad enough, people can be very motivated.

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        2. Brady Nields‏ @auditmeplease Aug 4
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @speakingcrypto and

          Wish we could bring money back to its roots in helping a community grow.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        3. Ryan Calder‏ @_RyanCalder Aug 4
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          Replying to @auditmeplease @NickSzabo4 and

          Starting with a decentralized hard money base protocol to remove 3rd parties is an incredible start...

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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        1. Leo Ezebit‏ @ezebit1 Aug 4
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @saifedean and

          That's IOU nothing sir. Thank you

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