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Blockchain, cryptocurrency, and smart contracts pioneer. (RT/Fav/Follow does not imply endorsement). Blog: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com 

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    1. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      [Introduction] "What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust, allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted third party." Does that sound like $BTC to you? Sounds like it to me

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    2. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      Moving on to some of #Satoshi quotes from forums etc, we arrive at my theory of semantics error: "The more standard Wiki thing to do is that we should have a paragraph in one of the more general categories that we are an instance of, like Electronic Currency or Electronic Cash."

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    3. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      From an email thread 2008-11-08: "If the supply of money increases at the same rate that the number of people using it increases, prices remain stable. If it does not increase as fast as demand, there will be deflation and early holders of money will see its value increase."

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    4. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      From a p2pfoundation forum 2009-02-11: "It's time we had the same thing for money. With e-currency based on cryptographic proof, without the need to trust a third party middleman, money can be secure and transactions effortless."

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    5. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      From a mailing list 2009-01-08: "There are two ways to send money. If the recipient is online, you can enter their IP address and it will connect, get a new public key and send the transaction with comments."

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    6. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      The list goes on. The interchanging use of currency, cash, and money points to the idea that the actual word 'cash' was never meant to be the crux of #Bitcoin. To get so hung up on that term is to lose sight of what was really trying to be conveyed.

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    7. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      cc: @danheld @100trillionUSD @BitcoinErrorLog @APompliano @lopp @udiWertheimer @saifedean @SatoshiLite @aantonop among others. Respect your thoughts in the space and would love to hear you opine on what seems to be a continuous debate on irrelevant points.

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    8. Ryan Calder‏ @_RyanCalder Aug 2
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      Replying to @ArcaChemist @danheld and

      I'd love to hear @CaitlinLong_ @TraceMayer @CathieDWood @AriannaSimpson @NickSzabo4 @eric_lombrozo @adam3us @DHannum8 too if possible

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    9. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 2
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      Replying to @_RyanCalder @ArcaChemist and

      Layer 1 is a settlement layer, its trust minimization akin to gold but able to be settled online. Layer 2 is retail cash (among other applications). This falls out of the computer science and trust minimization being the essential top priority for a seamlessly global currency.

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    10. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @_RyanCalder and

      Appreciate the feedback. Would you agree that the terminology discrepancy between money/cash/currency is not what should be focused on in the first place? Seems that the basis of the argument back in the day when BCH split was that Bitcoin wasn't fulfilling the "cash" aspect.

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 2
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      Replying to @ArcaChemist @_RyanCalder and

      Yes, those are very broad and overlapping terms.

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        2. Dan Plante‏ @Daniel_Plante Aug 3
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @ArcaChemist and

          This is what I have found to be the best distinction between those terms. Even academic sources and dictionaries contradict each other on this and confuse the issue. Start at 4:01 and watch for 37 seconds:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyV0OfU3-FU&t=242s …

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        3. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Aug 4
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          Replying to @Daniel_Plante @NickSzabo4 and

          interesting. so money is a store of value, medium of exchange & unit of account; where currency is forms of money in circulation: promissory notes which became fiat currency and no longer a store of value, since the removal of monetary backing. gold is money, fiat is currency.

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        5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 4
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          Replying to @tonklaus @adam3us and

          Gold maximalism. Only dominant for a short period of time. For most of the history of the metallic metals (gold, silver, copper), from Mesopotamian tablets to still many parts of the world in the 19th century, they were all considered money.

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        6. Saifedean Ammous‏ @saifedean Aug 4
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @tonklaus and

          Yes, from 1871 to 1914 to be exact. A short period of time, but an incredible period, too!

          4 replies 2 retweets 34 likes
        7. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 4
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          Replying to @saifedean @tonklaus and

          It was a period where the gold mostly sat in bank vaults and people used trust-based IOUs. Which trust was later abused to turn those IOUs into fiat. Meh.

          5 replies 6 retweets 53 likes
        8. Saifedean Ammous‏ @saifedean Aug 4
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @tonklaus and

          Easy to knock it now that we have bitcoin, but before 2009 nothing could even come close to it!

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        2. herzmeister‏ @herzmeisterderw Aug 2
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @ArcaChemist and

          the term electronic cash might have be coined (ahem) by @chaumdotcom in the 1980s, who tried to cooperate with banks; and that's fine, physical cash is also issued by banks. As we learnt that's not possible, money for the digital sphere had to be reinvented from the ground up.

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        3. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Aug 4
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          Replying to @herzmeisterderw @NickSzabo4 and

          so Bitcoin is electronic money, and Chaum's (coiner of the term electronic cash) Digicash was electronic cash (because it was fractional, fiat deposit based backing). and of course ideally electronic cash should be self-auditably backed by electronic money, to avoid trust.

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        4. James Sutherland‏ @jwsuth Aug 4
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          Replying to @adam3us @herzmeisterderw and

          I like cash because it emphasises no intermediaries. We already had electronic money through banks but not electronic cash. Opens conversations up to questions like "what would an economy based on cash look like?" and "would a settlement layer based on cash be more effective?"

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        5. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Aug 4
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          Replying to @jwsuth @herzmeisterderw and

          Financial definitions highlit by that video and online assert that the term money includes being a store of value where currency is typically not a store of value these days, initially being a promissory note redeemable for gold or silver. and later Fiat with no monetary backing.

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        6. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Aug 4
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          Replying to @adam3us @jwsuth and

          Cash settlement etc yes it's bearer but so is a gold coin, that's probably cash also. Maybe we should say digicash was electronic cash backed by currency where Bitcoin is electronic cash that is in itself money. So Bitcoin is both cash and money, in the process of monetisation.

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        2. Alejandro Guardia‏ @AleGuardia Aug 4
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @ArcaChemist and

          IMHO, in legal jargon, currency is only a central bank-note and nothing else. "Money" is a economic term that includes currency, currency bank credit at sight -miscalled "deposit"- and whatever is generally used as money.

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        3. Alejandro Guardia‏ @AleGuardia Aug 4
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          Replying to @AleGuardia @NickSzabo4 and

          I think "cash" is a synonym of non-financial or non-contractual money (i.e.: physical or digital central bank notes, or a future non-financial or non-contractual digital money).

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