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Blockchain, cryptocurrency, and smart contracts pioneer. (RT/Fav/Follow does not imply endorsement). Blog: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com 

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    1. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      Mini thread on the #Bitcoin: I believe the argument that $BTC is not the real Bitcoin because it is not 'cash' is a purely semantics based error. If you look up the synonyms of cash, the first that pop up are: money, currency, legal tender. Let's dive into the WP 1/x

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    2. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      [Abstract] "A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution." Can payments be sent directly from one party to another without an intermediary? Yes.

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    3. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      [Introduction] "What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust, allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted third party." Does that sound like $BTC to you? Sounds like it to me

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    4. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      Moving on to some of #Satoshi quotes from forums etc, we arrive at my theory of semantics error: "The more standard Wiki thing to do is that we should have a paragraph in one of the more general categories that we are an instance of, like Electronic Currency or Electronic Cash."

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    5. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      From an email thread 2008-11-08: "If the supply of money increases at the same rate that the number of people using it increases, prices remain stable. If it does not increase as fast as demand, there will be deflation and early holders of money will see its value increase."

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    6. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      From a p2pfoundation forum 2009-02-11: "It's time we had the same thing for money. With e-currency based on cryptographic proof, without the need to trust a third party middleman, money can be secure and transactions effortless."

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    7. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      From a mailing list 2009-01-08: "There are two ways to send money. If the recipient is online, you can enter their IP address and it will connect, get a new public key and send the transaction with comments."

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    8. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      The list goes on. The interchanging use of currency, cash, and money points to the idea that the actual word 'cash' was never meant to be the crux of #Bitcoin. To get so hung up on that term is to lose sight of what was really trying to be conveyed.

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    9. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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      cc: @danheld @100trillionUSD @BitcoinErrorLog @APompliano @lopp @udiWertheimer @saifedean @SatoshiLite @aantonop among others. Respect your thoughts in the space and would love to hear you opine on what seems to be a continuous debate on irrelevant points.

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    10. Ryan Calder‏ @_RyanCalder Aug 2
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      Replying to @ArcaChemist @danheld and

      I'd love to hear @CaitlinLong_ @TraceMayer @CathieDWood @AriannaSimpson @NickSzabo4 @eric_lombrozo @adam3us @DHannum8 too if possible

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 2
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      Replying to @_RyanCalder @ArcaChemist and

      Layer 1 is a settlement layer, its trust minimization akin to gold but able to be settled online. Layer 2 is retail cash (among other applications). This falls out of the computer science and trust minimization being the essential top priority for a seamlessly global currency.

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        2. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @_RyanCalder and

          Appreciate the feedback. Would you agree that the terminology discrepancy between money/cash/currency is not what should be focused on in the first place? Seems that the basis of the argument back in the day when BCH split was that Bitcoin wasn't fulfilling the "cash" aspect.

          4 replies 0 retweets 16 likes
        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 2
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          Replying to @ArcaChemist @_RyanCalder and

          Yes, those are very broad and overlapping terms.

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        4. Dan Plante‏ @Daniel_Plante Aug 3
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @ArcaChemist and

          This is what I have found to be the best distinction between those terms. Even academic sources and dictionaries contradict each other on this and confuse the issue. Start at 4:01 and watch for 37 seconds:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyV0OfU3-FU&t=242s …

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        5. Adam Back‏ @adam3us Aug 4
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          Replying to @Daniel_Plante @NickSzabo4 and

          interesting. so money is a store of value, medium of exchange & unit of account; where currency is forms of money in circulation: promissory notes which became fiat currency and no longer a store of value, since the removal of monetary backing. gold is money, fiat is currency.

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        7. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 4
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          Replying to @tonklaus @adam3us and

          Gold maximalism. Only dominant for a short period of time. For most of the history of the metallic metals (gold, silver, copper), from Mesopotamian tablets to still many parts of the world in the 19th century, they were all considered money.

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        8. Saifedean Ammous‏ @saifedean Aug 4
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @tonklaus and

          Yes, from 1871 to 1914 to be exact. A short period of time, but an incredible period, too!

          4 replies 2 retweets 34 likes
        9. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 4
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          Replying to @saifedean @tonklaus and

          It was a period where the gold mostly sat in bank vaults and people used trust-based IOUs. Which trust was later abused to turn those IOUs into fiat. Meh.

          5 replies 6 retweets 53 likes
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        2. NYCPunter‏ @NYCPunter Aug 2
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @saifedean and

          Amazing that most people in the space haven't figured this out already, as many prominent figures have posited this for quite some time now. Bitcoin has a greater destiny than buying Starbucks. That narrative died in dec 2017.

          2 replies 0 retweets 19 likes
        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 2
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          Replying to @NYCPunter @saifedean and

          Bitcoin is to protect your wealth, bitcoin (layer 2) is for the coffee.

          13 replies 100 retweets 506 likes
        4. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @NYCPunter and

          Layer 1 - Savings Layer 2 - Checking If you believe in the potential of LN, which I do at this point in time, its a fair argument to make that when you take your BTC off L1-->L2 to spend you are essentially moving wealth from savings-->checking. Not 1:1 comparison, but helps IMO

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        5. NYCPunter‏ @NYCPunter Aug 2
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          Replying to @ArcaChemist @NickSzabo4 and

          When you truly have it rationalized, you will never consider the idea of "spending" Bitcoin. You're on the right track in many regards, IMHO.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. John Carvalho‏ @BitcoinErrorLog Aug 2
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          Replying to @NYCPunter @ArcaChemist and

          Bitcoin is useless if you can't spend it. It is quite literally for storing and spending. Why do people store value? To spend it.

          3 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
        7. Sasha Fleyshman‏ @ArcaChemist Aug 2
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          Replying to @BitcoinErrorLog @NYCPunter and

          Sasha Fleyshman Retweeted Sasha Fleyshman

          I think his point has some merit in the short term. If I am of the belief that $BTC will continue to accrue value at a rapid pace, as it has not yet become a unified money, I am disincentivized to spending it. I go into why I think we should spend it here:https://twitter.com/ArcaChemist/status/1156409635466649606 …

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          Sasha Fleyshman @ArcaChemist
          What would be one product that is currently missing from the #cryptocurrency space that you would love to see? For me, it would be @Trezor partnering with a Visa/Mastercard provider that allows me to spend #Bitcoin I think HODL is a nice idea, but there is a bigger picture 1/x
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        8. NYCPunter‏ @NYCPunter Aug 2
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          Replying to @ArcaChemist @BitcoinErrorLog and

          Given a choice, all societies will spend in a soft currency and save in a hard one. This is at the crux of what we are trying to do. The tipping point where all realize that an exit of inflationary & arbitrarily printed currencies is not only inevitable, but required for survival

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
        9. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Aug 2
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          Replying to @NYCPunter @ArcaChemist and

          That presumes it is easy and very low cost to convert between the two currencies, but it may often not be.

          2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
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        1. DeroMask - Dero Wallet and dApps‏ @deromask Aug 5
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @_RyanCalder and

          $dero is layer 1 privacy. It will replace eth one day.

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        1. Viejonazo [Bitcoin BTC ⚡ 🔑]‏ @Viejonazo89 Aug 3
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @_RyanCalder and

          I love Layer 2 Lightning Networks are awesome 🤩

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        2. Satoshi’s Disciple (₿)‏ @Satoshis_D Aug 2
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @_RyanCalder and

          That’s btc, not Satoshi’s Bitcoin.

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