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Blockchain, cryptocurrency, and smart contracts pioneer. (RT/Fav/Follow does not imply endorsement). Blog: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com 

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    1. 6102bitcoin‏ @6102bitcoin Jul 30
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      Replying to @thebitcoinrabbi @francispouliot_ @wiz

      I completely agree. Look at mt.gox custodial bitcoins, would anyone in their right mind treat them as equivalent to BTC?!

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    2. David Cavan Fraser‏ @dcfmusic Jul 30
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      Replying to @6102bitcoin @thebitcoinrabbi and

      I respect Francis a lot but I'm with the rabbi and 6102 here. A car can be hotwired. Private keys cannot. I don't fully get liquid yet, but it seems like you've distributed trust, as opposed to holding your own keys: self trust

      1 reply 1 retweet 6 likes
    3. Francis Pouliot  ☣️‏Verified account @francispouliot_ Jul 30
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      Replying to @dcfmusic @6102bitcoin and

      Of course private keys can be hotwired. That's what hacking an account is.

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    4. Francis Pouliot  ☣️‏Verified account @francispouliot_ Jul 30
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      Replying to @francispouliot_ @dcfmusic and

      Bitcoin ownership is meaningless because on an infinite timeline, every private key ends up being lost.

      6 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    5. Jermeh ☣️ [Google: "The Cantillon Effect"]‏ @n00bedJermeh Jul 30
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      Replying to @francispouliot_ @dcfmusic and

      u day drinking?

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    6. The Bitcoin Rabbi‏ @thebitcoinrabbi Jul 30
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      Replying to @n00bedJermeh @francispouliot_ and

      It’s 5 o clock somewhere

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    7. Jermeh ☣️ [Google: "The Cantillon Effect"]‏ @n00bedJermeh Jul 30
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      Replying to @thebitcoinrabbi @francispouliot_ and

      cheers to that!

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    8. Jermeh ☣️ [Google: "The Cantillon Effect"]‏ @n00bedJermeh Jul 30
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      Replying to @n00bedJermeh @thebitcoinrabbi and

      that said perhaps I kinda get what Francis is saying... There's a certain % of the population who is going to need custodial bitcoin. I think the other % will be competent and have a large enough stake in it to avoid custodial to be able to quickly arb custodial dishonesty.

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    9. Jermeh ☣️ [Google: "The Cantillon Effect"]‏ @n00bedJermeh Jul 30
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      Replying to @n00bedJermeh @thebitcoinrabbi and

      And hopefully we develop multisig solutions to take care of bitcoin wills when people die so as to pass on their bitcoin to their heirs, but that will always be partly custodial.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    10. The Bitcoin Rabbi‏ @thebitcoinrabbi Jul 30
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      Replying to @n00bedJermeh @francispouliot_ and

      Multisig does not need to be custodial at all. In the sense that nobody can gain custody unless all parties collide against you. And you can make legal frameworks that prevent that

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jul 30
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      Replying to @thebitcoinrabbi @n00bedJermeh and

      In straight M-of-N when other people have the shares, there's a tradeoff between risks of denial of service attack (M a larger fraction of N) and of having colluders steal the money (M a smaller fraction of N).

      5:02 PM - 30 Jul 2019
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        2. The Bitcoin Rabbi‏ @thebitcoinrabbi Jul 30
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @n00bedJermeh and

          If the holders of M are under legal contract, even if only one of them, wouldn’t that protect you enough? Yes they could steal your funds, but they could be disbarred and sued. Obviously talking if they are an established entity which can’t exit scam

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        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jul 30
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          Replying to @thebitcoinrabbi @n00bedJermeh and

          Works in some and maybe most circumstances, but t's more generally robust if, like Bitcoin itself, it doesn't depend on legal action to be secure.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. The Bitcoin Rabbi‏ @thebitcoinrabbi Jul 30
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @n00bedJermeh and

          That’s the trade off, then you are just plainly not trusting your family members to collide and rob you. Thank G-d, I think that’s the system I’m comfortable with. But good to know that someone could devise other alternatives

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        5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jul 30
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          Replying to @thebitcoinrabbi @n00bedJermeh and

          There is at most One Whom we can trust "at all times"?

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        2. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jul 30
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @thebitcoinrabbi and

          Probably better to keep a good fraction of the shares oneself, or between known trustworthy family members or good friends, just store them different places far enough apart. Usually OK even good to make it inconvenient yet reliable to reconstruct.

          2 replies 0 retweets 13 likes
        3. Jermeh ☣️ [Google: "The Cantillon Effect"]‏ @n00bedJermeh Jul 30
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @thebitcoinrabbi and

          but in this case @francispouliot_ is right about on an infinite timeline all keys are lost. Because one will need a small amount of bitcoin for everyday transactions that they can't be bothered with all the multisig security. So if they die unexpectedly that small amt is lost.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Jermeh ☣️ [Google: "The Cantillon Effect"]‏ @n00bedJermeh Jul 30
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          Replying to @n00bedJermeh @NickSzabo4 and

          @thebitcoinrabbi or did I just make the same mistake twice in a row? (when I said cheers I meant it ;) )

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        5. The Bitcoin Rabbi‏ @thebitcoinrabbi Jul 30
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          Replying to @n00bedJermeh @NickSzabo4 and

          The statement “on an infinite timeline...” followed by anything is pretty meaningless

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        6. Jermeh ☣️ [Google: "The Cantillon Effect"]‏ @n00bedJermeh Jul 30
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          Replying to @thebitcoinrabbi @NickSzabo4 and

          true. but what if someone like Trace Mayer dies unexpectedly without the ability to pass on his coins? in a hyperbitcoin world that's a big supply shock do we just make bitcoin more divisible by adding 9 zeros behind the decimal point?

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        7. A E‏ @Camun_Amun Jul 30
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          Replying to @n00bedJermeh @thebitcoinrabbi and

          Not really a supply shock if coins already weren’t moving...halvening is a supply shock bc it’s assumed a portion of block reward is continuously being sold to cover overhead/operating costs

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        8. Jermeh ☣️ [Google: "The Cantillon Effect"]‏ @n00bedJermeh Jul 30
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          Replying to @Camun_Amun @thebitcoinrabbi and

          ya i get what you mean, but it's kind of the same. people assume that supply can be put into play at any time. But when they know it's really gone things get valued differently.

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        9. A E‏ @Camun_Amun Jul 30
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          Replying to @n00bedJermeh @thebitcoinrabbi and

          The man himself might disagree ~30min in 👇https://youtu.be/LfsgX-8Ez0w 

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