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    1. Ragnar Lifthrasir  🏴  🏛️‏ @Ragnarly Jul 25
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      I recently learned how seriously Isaac Newton took his position as warden of the Royal Mint.pic.twitter.com/ExBjpo2fLH

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    2. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jul 25
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      Replying to @Ragnarly @mathiasjimenez0 and

      20% of coins were already counterfeit by his day. He may have delayed the inevitable, but during the remainder of the 18th century, the problem only got worse, driven by craftsmen of Birmingham who also gave us much of the industrial revolution.

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    3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jul 25
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Ragnarly and

      By the end of the 18th century merchants had mostly given up on high-value coins in favor of harder to counterfeit bank notes, moving away from trust minimization by substituting IOUs for the actual metal. A trust that in the 20th century would be heavily abused.

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    4. Fernando Nieto‏ @fnietom Jul 26
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      I believe bullion friction (cost of weight and purity validation) lead to coinage. Counterfeiting was common at the time. This friction is frequently underestimated, but it pushed people away from trust-minimization to end up with trust-based paper money.https://www.academia.edu/4192184/A_Quantitative_Approach_to_the_Beginnings_of_Coinage …

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    5. Mathias Jimenez‏ @mathiasjimenez0 Jul 26
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      I do not see an essential difference between mints and banks in this sense. In both you need to trust third-party and potentially also transacting party depending on how easy was to counterfeit

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    6. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jul 26
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      Replying to @mathiasjimenez0 @fnietom and

      The metal in coins can be validated. It's costly, not done at retail, but was often done by bankers and merchants. So people who dealt with coins on large and international scales could use coins in a trust-minimized way. But nobody can use bank notes in a trust-minimized way.

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    7. Mathias Jimenez‏ @mathiasjimenez0 Jul 26
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @fnietom and

      I see. You mean that in principle you can validate a metal's weigth, but it is harder to asses what is backing a banknote? If one could know bank assets this problem would be at least partially solved?

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    8. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jul 26
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      Replying to @mathiasjimenez0 @fnietom and

      If the assets are trust-minimized collateral (i.e. bank doesn't have the ability to just transfer them out). Otherwise, the audit just tells you that the funds have not been absconded with or withheld from creditors *yet* -- useful but much less trust-minimized than Lightning.

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    9. Mathias Jimenez‏ @mathiasjimenez0 Jul 26
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @fnietom and

      Ok, so the essential difference is that with commodity money you *can* validate money quality with technology that doesn't rely on people, just physics. However, this technology is costly. Mints help reduce physical validation costs but now you need to validate *them* 1/2

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    10. Mathias Jimenez‏ @mathiasjimenez0 Jul 26
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      Replying to @mathiasjimenez0 @NickSzabo4 and

      As for the transacting party, they become a problem as long as one doesn't use the physical technology to validate. When this is the case, mints help reduce this problem but not altogether.

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jul 26
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      Replying to @mathiasjimenez0 @fnietom and

      Coin mints plus harshly enforced laws against counterfeiting coins together helped solve the jewelry counterfeiting problem, i.e. the problem that assaying metal was too costly for retail, but at the cost that the mint could itself "self-counterfeit", i.e. debase the coins.

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        2. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jul 26
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          And by the 18th century, even the death penalty for counterfeiting was insufficient to prevent widespread counterfeiting of high-denomination coins. They could no longer reliably serve as money and were replaced by bank notes.

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