Transacting in Bitcoin may be cheaper than transacting in actual gold coins or bullion. But it isn't cheaper than transacting with bank-issued IOUs denominated in an redeemable in gold, particularly when those IOUs can be transferred electronically for next to nothing.
-
-
Replying to @GeorgeSelgin @fnietom and
One simple solution to Bitcoin's transaction-cost problem would be to build a banking system on a bitcoin standard. But then the bank-money transactions would not possess the same security and "pseudonymity" as ones conducted in bitcoin itself.
4 replies 3 retweets 19 likes -
Replying to @GeorgeSelgin @fnietom and
Indeed, Hal Finney & I proposed this kind of thing, inspired by your and Lawrence White's historical research about free banking. We now have more trust-minimized versions of this "layer 2" technology, e.g. Lightning, which is fully & more securely collateralized than mere IOUs.
6 replies 12 retweets 66 likes -
Replying to @NickSzabo4 @GeorgeSelgin and
Exactly, why would anybody hold BTC IOUs at par when they are riskier than the real thing. BTC credit will exist, but I don’t see it circulating as money, it’s economically irrational. This was only possible with gold because of its greater friction.
1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes -
Replying to @fnietom @GeorgeSelgin and
Gold's biggest flaw was difficulty of validation. That's why we ended up substituting coins for jewelry, and eventually bank note IOUs for coins. Coins were a semi-reliable way to outsource validation, and when it became too easy to counterfeit coins we switched to bank notes.
3 replies 2 retweets 27 likes -
Replying to @NickSzabo4 @GeorgeSelgin and
And note that coins only made validation cheaper at the cost of introducing trust. This trust was often violated with debasement as a legal form of counterfeit.
1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes -
Replying to @fnietom @NickSzabo4 and
Debasement was "legal" when the mint was a state monopoly with sovereign immunity from prosecution for fraud. Competitive private silver and gold mints, where allowed, were subject to common law and were highly trustworthy. Like Engelhard, etc., are today.
2 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @lawrencehwhite1 @fnietom and
Still vulnerable when used at retail to counterfeiting, though, taking advantage of the difficulties involved in assaying metals during retail transactions.
1 reply 1 retweet 1 like -
Replying to @NickSzabo4 @lawrencehwhite1 and
I am a bit confused. Historical evidence proves your point that gold was difficult to verify, but with a simple device like the one below I see rather easy to verify a standarized coin (specially before Tungstene was discovered)pic.twitter.com/Vral3pIvIJ
2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @ManuelPolavieja @NickSzabo4 and
Verification was not the sole, and in many cases not even an important, motive for the rising popularity of bank money relative to gold coin. Gold was simply less convenient than notes and transferable deposits--the last of these also bore interest.
2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
"Less convenient" than bearer notes how? More specifics needed.
-
-
Replying to @NickSzabo4 @ManuelPolavieja and
Larger gold coins were bulky; small ones were easily lost. In Scotland and Canada and other past arrangements where people were free to choose between the paper notes of private and largely unregulated banks and gold coins, coins almost completely disappeared from circulation.
0 replies 0 retweets 4 likesThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
-
Loading seems to be taking a while.
Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information.