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Blockchain, cryptocurrency, and smart contracts pioneer. (RT/Fav/Follow does not imply endorsement). Blog: http://unenumerated.blogspot.com 

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    1. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jul 25
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @mathiasjimenez0 and

      Shells OTOH were typically counted and valued by size. Each size range had a different secure supply curve effectively forming a different denomination. The Yurok had ruler-like tattoos for measuring the length of their dentalia shells. https://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2017/02/conflict-and-collectibles-among-yurok_87.html …pic.twitter.com/Qy1JSAIxnx

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    2. Ragnar Lifthrasir  🏴  🏛️‏ @Ragnarly Jul 25
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @mathiasjimenez0 and

      Shells > USD?

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    3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jul 25
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      Replying to @Ragnarly @mathiasjimenez0 and

      Alas, cheap transportation and industrial era tools greatly inflated them and often made counterfeiting easy. Validation lore wasn't up to that challenge; secure validation became too expensive.

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    4. Ragnar Lifthrasir  🏴  🏛️‏ @Ragnarly Jul 25
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @mathiasjimenez0 and

      I recently learned how seriously Isaac Newton took his position as warden of the Royal Mint.pic.twitter.com/ExBjpo2fLH

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    5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jul 25
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      Replying to @Ragnarly @mathiasjimenez0 and

      20% of coins were already counterfeit by his day. He may have delayed the inevitable, but during the remainder of the 18th century, the problem only got worse, driven by craftsmen of Birmingham who also gave us much of the industrial revolution.

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    6. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jul 25
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Ragnarly and

      By the end of the 18th century merchants had mostly given up on high-value coins in favor of harder to counterfeit bank notes, moving away from trust minimization by substituting IOUs for the actual metal. A trust that in the 20th century would be heavily abused.

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    7. Fernando Nieto‏ @fnietom Jul 26
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      Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Ragnarly and

      I believe bullion friction (cost of weight and purity validation) lead to coinage. Counterfeiting was common at the time. This friction is frequently underestimated, but it pushed people away from trust-minimization to end up with trust-based paper money.https://www.academia.edu/4192184/A_Quantitative_Approach_to_the_Beginnings_of_Coinage …

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    8. Fernando Nieto‏ @fnietom Jul 26
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      Replying to @fnietom @NickSzabo4 and

      Bitcoin is superior to gold precisely because it has much lower friction both in transactions (LN allows cheap trust-minimized payments) and storage (nothing can be cheaper to store than a private key and monetary inflation is fading out).

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    9. George Selgin‏ @GeorgeSelgin Jul 26
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      Replying to @fnietom @NickSzabo4 and

      Transacting in Bitcoin may be cheaper than transacting in actual gold coins or bullion. But it isn't cheaper than transacting with bank-issued IOUs denominated in an redeemable in gold, particularly when those IOUs can be transferred electronically for next to nothing.

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    10. George Selgin‏ @GeorgeSelgin Jul 26
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      Replying to @GeorgeSelgin @fnietom and

      One simple solution to Bitcoin's transaction-cost problem would be to build a banking system on a bitcoin standard. But then the bank-money transactions would not possess the same security and "pseudonymity" as ones conducted in bitcoin itself.

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      Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jul 26
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      Replying to @GeorgeSelgin @fnietom and

      Indeed, Hal Finney & I proposed this kind of thing, inspired by your and Lawrence White's historical research about free banking. We now have more trust-minimized versions of this "layer 2" technology, e.g. Lightning, which is fully & more securely collateralized than mere IOUs.

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        2. Fernando Nieto‏ @fnietom Jul 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @GeorgeSelgin and

          Exactly, why would anybody hold BTC IOUs at par when they are riskier than the real thing. BTC credit will exist, but I don’t see it circulating as money, it’s economically irrational. This was only possible with gold because of its greater friction.

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        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jul 26
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          Replying to @fnietom @GeorgeSelgin and

          Gold's biggest flaw was difficulty of validation. That's why we ended up substituting coins for jewelry, and eventually bank note IOUs for coins. Coins were a semi-reliable way to outsource validation, and when it became too easy to counterfeit coins we switched to bank notes.

          3 replies 2 retweets 27 likes
        4. Mathias Jimenez‏ @mathiasjimenez0 Aug 28
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @fnietom and

          Is it the problem of validation or counterfeiting that it creates a lemons problem and therefore increses transaction frictions from information asymmetries or because it changes the supply of money if undetected?

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        5. Fernando Nieto‏ @fnietom Aug 29
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          Replying to @mathiasjimenez0 @NickSzabo4 and

          It's mostly about transaction friction.

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        2. Ragnar Lifthrasir  🏴  🏛️‏ @Ragnarly Jul 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @GeorgeSelgin and

          Link to your and Hal's proposal?

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        3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Jul 26
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          Replying to @Ragnarly @GeorgeSelgin and

          Selgin, White, Finney, Dai, and myself were on the libtech list where we discussed these ideas in mid 1998. It seems to only be implicit in my public bit gold writings, but Hal later expressly proposed it for bitcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2500.msg34211#msg34211 …

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        4. Mr.Hodl 🌕 🍿‏ @MrHodl Jul 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @Ragnarly and

          God damn it Nick. When's the book coming out?

          2 replies 0 retweets 34 likes
        5. kerbals‏ @kerbalz Jul 26
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          Replying to @MrHodl @NickSzabo4 and

          he wrote a 9 pager about 10 years ago that was a pretty good read

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        2. George Selgin‏ @GeorgeSelgin Jul 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @fnietom and

          Yes. I'm intrigued by LN. In principle, it could co-exist with a legacy "banking" version of layer 2, with market shares depending on the perceived advantages of each and people's preferences. But I suppose that many who prefer Bitcoin over $ would also favor LN over banks.

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        3. Donald McIntyre  ☣️ 🗑️‏ @TokenHash Jul 26
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          Replying to @GeorgeSelgin @NickSzabo4 and

          As banks and interlinked accounting books, LN is a network of interlinked accounting books. The difference is that the authority to move or withdraw funds is retained by the user, rather than the banks accountant.

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        1. Ragnar Lifthrasir  🏴  🏛️‏ @Ragnarly Jul 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @GeorgeSelgin and

          Meanwhile, @APompliano is dribbling out "Long bitcoin, short the bankers". 🚒🚒🚒

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        1. David Stinson‏ @StinsonAnalytic Jul 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4 @GeorgeSelgin and

          ..."the settlement role and widespread adoption as free-market base money [may] emerge together. In other words, while emergent base money can be used for daily transactions, that is probably not its ultimate, socially optimal role." From:https://stinsonanalytical.com/2017/12/19/bitcoin-banks-networks-bubbles-regression-theorem-state-action-part-1/ …

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        1. Bittie  ☣️‏ @MisterBitty_ Jul 26
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          Replying to @NickSzabo4

          Nick I’ve often wondered if you ever visited Hal before he passed?

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