I agree wholeheartedly and that’s fundamental to the point I was trying to make above, which was rebutted with a “but what about body count” argument
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The original tweet is making a body count argument, which is what I was poking at
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Both of the body counts were about intentional attacks, it wasn't comparing oranges to orangutans like you were.
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I would agree except that it was arguing the one is not as important as the other *because* of body count. Whereas I would say it’s all worrying because it is social in nature and the intention factor
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Body count is important. Nobody AFAIK has denied that in this thread except, wrongly, you.
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“The need for introspection, dialogue & reformation belongs not in the western world” That claim was supported by comparing body counts. I just don’t think that’s sound reasoning, even if it is practically useful information
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When ethnically motivated violence pops up anywhere, I’m going to be on the side of “Let’s have some introspection and discussion” at the bear minimum
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No you aren't, and neither is anybody. You know and I know about the barest miniscule fraction of the ethnically motivavated violence that has happened on this planet, even just in the last few months.
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That seems like more of a bandwidth problem than a lack of concern for ethnic violence elsewhere. But also ethnic violence elsewhere is not typically a threat to the values I hold dear in my country, because those values never existed to begin with in most of these cases
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Concern without knowledge is mere virtue signalling. When there is immigration to "your" country the behavior of everybody everywhere is relevant to the future of your values & to something even more personal most of us do also hold dear, the future of our particular descendants.
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The limits to our knowledge -- and the very real and related limits to our sympathies, the preposterous pretenses of virtue signallers notwithstanding -- are the biggest reason we have property rights, borders, and other such abstract limits on face-to-face association.
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But guys, the shooter here was not an immigrant. Certainly destructive ideas can be homegrown? I don’t really understand the pushback here
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My response to Nick was limited to what I was responding to. WRT to other points u have made, I get the import of what u are saying, R O. But if u read a few other points I have made on this tweet, u will see there is no pushback. u are conflating using artificial equivalence.
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