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    Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 20
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    Investors who leave their cryptocurrency in the custody of an exchange are like people who invest in Starbucks even though they don't drink their coffee. They might make good technical money, but their actual understanding of use cases and value propositions is questionable.

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      2. Gabor Gurbacs‏ @gaborgurbacs Feb 20
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        Spot on. 1. Because something is available, it doesn’t mean that one should invest in it. 2. Using products/services of an investment (real skin in the game & practical understanding) is essential. 3. Some legacy entities are “better” security holes than some crypto exchanges. :)

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      3. Gabor Gurbacs‏ @gaborgurbacs Feb 20
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        Replying to @gaborgurbacs @NickSzabo4

        Ps.: If using Bitcoin and one is technically and operationally sophisticated enough, there is no reason no to hold one’s own keys.

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      4. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 20
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        Replying to @gaborgurbacs

        Example?

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      5. Gabor Gurbacs‏ @gaborgurbacs Feb 20
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        An example would be a sample technology savy engineer or a bank employee who understands BTC wallets and operational security around securing a bearer asset well-enough to store his own coins, but leaves his coins on a crypto exchange for convenience.

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      6. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 20
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        In that case they understand the techniques but not the value proposition. If they don't find the main value-add use case actually valuable why would they think it's a good investment? They are probably just confused, or think they are a good technical investor (gambler).

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      7. Gabor Gurbacs‏ @gaborgurbacs Feb 20
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        Correct. Many investors don’t understand Bitcoin’s main value proposition well enough, but find other/additional values attractive such as low correlation to traditional asset classes(portfolio diversification), relatively easy access to the asset, transferability, new tech, etc.

        2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      8. Gabor Gurbacs‏ @gaborgurbacs Feb 20
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        Replying to @gaborgurbacs @NickSzabo4

        I found that there is a group of investors (mostly also gold bugs) who understand Bitcoin’s value proposition, but are afraid to engage before the legal environment around digital assets solidify. Some of this group is also afraid of technology risk at this time.

        2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
      9. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 20
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        Replying to @gaborgurbacs

        This reflects a profound lack of understanding about legal risks and how to reduce them.

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      2. BitLatte‏ @BitLatte Feb 20
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        You don’t have to like Starbucks coffee to understand that other people are buying it

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      3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 20
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        If you don't understand *why* they are buying it -- which requires sharing their experiences -- then you are ceterus paribus a below-average coffee stock investor

        2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      4. André Benjamim‏ @andrebenjamim Feb 20
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        I hate Starbucks coffee 🤣 though I understand that argument. My best crypto investments last year were on things I don't like too...

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      5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 20
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        So you got lucky gambling, congratulations.

        2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      6. André Benjamim‏ @andrebenjamim Feb 20
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4 @BitLatte

        I think that you didn't understood my tweet... (or I wasn't clear, don't know...) The fact that I don't like something doesn't mean that I don't understand that (and why) other people like it.

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      7. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 20
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        It makes it quite a bit less likely, especially with something so widely misunderstood as money.

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      8. Gabridome your 🔑 🔑, your ₿₿‏ @Gabridome Feb 21
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        Short term speculation and long term investments can both lead to huge gains (or loss). The latter is more healthy for the industry involved.

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      2. J‏ @SalientQuips Feb 20
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        There was too much dogma in that take, Szabo. I don't like Schultz' politics or coffee but if the fundamentals are good I'm going to buy stock.

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      3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 20
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        How would you understand their fundamentals if you have not compared their coffee and so don't know their basic value prop(s) vs. their competition?

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      4. J‏ @SalientQuips Feb 20
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        CANSLIM method precludes my subjective opinion of the company's product. Earnings per share New products or services Debt to equity Sector relative performance Broader market trend I can't stand Craig Wright but I'd almost consider buying BCHSV if the setup was right.

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      5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 20
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        Replying to @SalientQuips

        This doesn't give you any edge over other investors who can use the same technique.

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      2. Handy Ramirez [#deletecoinbase]‏ @hotrodder99 Feb 20
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        The purpose of using the exchange is to trade only.

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      3. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 20
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        Replying to @hotrodder99

        In other words, mere technical gambling without actually understanding the investment.

        1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
      4. Handy Ramirez [#deletecoinbase]‏ @hotrodder99 Feb 20
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        What's the point in automatically assuming that just because someone buys their Bitcoins on an exchange that they don't understand what they are buying? Respectfully, Rams

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      5. Nick Szabo  🔑‏ @NickSzabo4 Feb 20
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        I didn't automatically assume it, just observing that it's much more likely than not.

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      6. Handy Ramirez [#deletecoinbase]‏ @hotrodder99 Feb 20
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        Replying to @NickSzabo4

        A man who thinks in probabilities. I like it.

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